Kindle Archive if drm removed

modkindle · 08-28-2010, 04:36 AM

If a book purchased through Amazon has the DRM removed and is installed on your Kindle from a computer, is it still recognized as being on your Kindle by Amazon and your archive?

poohbear_nc · 08-28-2010, 10:04 AM

If the book was purchased using the same Amazon account your Kindle is registered to, the original copy (with DRM) will be in your archive. If the book was purchased using another Amazon account, stripped of DRM, and then added to your Kindle, it will be treated like other non-Amazon purchased books - and not be in the archive.
ONLY the books purchased on the account the Kindle is registered to will be in the archive. You can't strip DRM and put the books back into the archive.

modkindle · 08-28-2010, 02:25 PM

what I have seen is that a user might have purchased 100 books from Amazon. Stripped the drm from them all and edited the meta data in Calibre.

Then the user gets a new Kindle and registers it to the account. The new Kindle shows 100 items in the archive. The user uploads 20 items to the new Kindle from the Calibre library but downloads no books from the archive. After this the new Kindle only shows 80 items in the archive.

I am curious as to how Amazon is recognizing these documents as being on the new Kindle.

bear4hunter · 08-28-2010, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poohbear_nc

If the book was purchased using the same Amazon account your Kindle is registered to, the original copy (with DRM) will be in your archive.

I noticed a different behaviour, I think amazon recognises a book by its ASIN.
At least that was what I watched happening:

I deleted an original file from my Kindle -> book got listed in Archive
Then I transferred the same book DRM-stripped via USB -> book disappeared from Archive.

(And I don't mean the archive on Amazon.com, but the Archive folder on the Kindle, letting me redownload purchased books)

modkindle · 08-28-2010, 02:29 PM

Yes. That is what I meant. You explained to much more clearly than I did. Why do you think it is the asin being recognized rather than some other identifying part of the file?

bear4hunter · 08-28-2010, 02:33 PM

From wikipedia:

Quote:

The Amazon Standard Identification Number (ASIN) is a unique identification number assigned by Amazon.com and its partners for product identification within the Amazon.com organization.

Each product sold on Amazon.com is given a unique ASIN. For books with 10-digit ISBN, the ASIN and the ISBN are the same. Books without an ISBN and other products are also assigned ASINs.

PeteS · 08-28-2010, 03:13 PM

I've downloaded an epub book from the internet archive into calibre, but when I try to send to device I get an error message.

On the assumption that it had somehow got corrupted I deleted all copies and then downloaded again but get the same error message as in the attachment.

Would appreciate any help

PeteS

suecsi · 09-01-2010, 08:48 AM

PeteS

The mods might want to move this into the Calibre section, but is this thread helpful?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...imum+recursion

PeteS · 09-03-2010, 08:55 AM

Thanks that was the right answer - I had transferred the query to the calibre forum and had a reply from Kovid and it turned out the book title was far too long.

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply and also point me in the right direction.

Cheers,

PeteS

08-28-2010, 04:36 AM	#1
modkindle Member Posts: 15 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: kindle	Kindle Archive if drm removed If a book purchased through Amazon has the DRM removed and is installed on your Kindle from a computer, is it still recognized as being on your Kindle by Amazon and your archive?

09-03-2010, 08:55 AM	#9
PeteS Enthusiast Posts: 31 Karma: 540 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: PRS-300	Thanks Suecsi Thanks that was the right answer - I had transferred the query to the calibre forum and had a reply from Kovid and it turned out the book title was far too long. Thanks for taking the trouble to reply and also point me in the right direction. Cheers, PeteS

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08-28-2010, 10:04 AM	#2
poohbear_nc Now what? Posts: 60,588 Karma: 135181808 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Durham, NC Device: Every Kindle Ever Made & To Be Made!	If the book was purchased using the same Amazon account your Kindle is registered to, the original copy (with DRM) will be in your archive. If the book was purchased using another Amazon account, stripped of DRM, and then added to your Kindle, it will be treated like other non-Amazon purchased books - and not be in the archive. ONLY the books purchased on the account the Kindle is registered to will be in the archive. You can't strip DRM and put the books back into the archive.

08-28-2010, 02:25 PM	#3
modkindle Member Posts: 15 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: kindle	what I have seen is that a user might have purchased 100 books from Amazon. Stripped the drm from them all and edited the meta data in Calibre. Then the user gets a new Kindle and registers it to the account. The new Kindle shows 100 items in the archive. The user uploads 20 items to the new Kindle from the Calibre library but downloads no books from the archive. After this the new Kindle only shows 80 items in the archive. I am curious as to how Amazon is recognizing these documents as being on the new Kindle.

08-28-2010, 02:29 PM	#5
modkindle Member Posts: 15 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: kindle	Yes. That is what I meant. You explained to much more clearly than I did. Why do you think it is the asin being recognized rather than some other identifying part of the file?

09-01-2010, 08:48 AM	#8
suecsi Rock Chick Posts: 429 Karma: 4965 Join Date: May 2009 Location: near Heathrow Device: Kindle 2i, Kindle DX, Kindle 3G	PeteS The mods might want to move this into the Calibre section, but is this thread helpful? https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...imum+recursion

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