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The Guardian UK: The iPhone is the new Internet Explorer 6, says mobile developer
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02-08-2010, 01:43 PM | #2 |
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That guy writes a lot of stuff. But every single argument of his is based on and therefore falls with his false equation IE6 = iPhone.
The problems we got from IE6 were not due to its then-modern rendering engine but due to its not being standards-compliant. The IE6 rendered many tags the wrong way and even introduced some of his own. iPhone's Webkit-based Mobile Safari, however, is fully standards-compliant. So the only problem is that some competing mobile browsers are not as advanced yet as Mobile Safari is today. Android and Nokia both use Webkit just like Apple does. Same with Palm. Sure, most websites that feature a mobile version are optimized for 320x480, but you can hardly blame anyone for that since it's a defacto standard. Plus, smartphones with higher resolutions than that should have no problems displaying such websites, and surfing the web at even lower resolutions wouldn't make much fun anyway. To put it shortly: developing websites exclusively for specific devices is never a good idea, but that guy talks a lot of trash. |
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02-08-2010, 06:42 PM | #3 | |
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People grudgingly accept the lack of Flash on the iPhone, because most don't use it to browse the web heavily, plus until Flash 10, the mobile Flash experience has been marginal. But the iPad is being marketed as "the best way to experience the web." At which it would totally fail, since most major sites have important features in Flash, which will be unavailable on the iPad. Moreover, HTML5 will not completely replace Flash, even when widely adopted. Flash just does a lot of things which will be very hard, or impossible to do in HTML5. IMO, the lack of Flash is the Achilles heel of the iPad. |
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02-08-2010, 07:06 PM | #4 |
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The lack of a proprietary web plugin has nothing to do with compliancy of web standards.
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02-08-2010, 07:33 PM | #5 | |
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Flash works on virtually every computer in the world and content providers and developers know this. TechCrunch has a well-informed article on the subject: "The Future of Web Content – HTML5, Flash & Mobile Apps" |
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it also depends on your definition of a "computer". the term is broadening each day, and the more devices that are included, the more flash's saturation percentage falls. Quote:
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I suggest you read the pretty balanced TechCrunch piece I posted above. Flash is here now, and here to stay for the foreseeable future, regardless of what Jobs says. As I said, it does A LOT more than video, and for many multimedia purposes is still way more robust than HTML5. As to "lots and lots of paid advertising," this is what pays for all the free content on the web. Without ads, the web will be much poorer. BTW, since most content providers rely on ad revenue, and since as you point out ads are mostly in Flash, why would the content providers care to adapt the rest of their site for the iPad, which would be in effect a freeloader device? |
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again, companies are out there NOT to support adobe and support flash. they're out there to make money. and how do you do that? you HAVE TO get your product out there and seen by people. if a growing number of people can't see your product/services/ads on your website, THAT IS A PROBLEM. what you're suggesting is that these companies stick their feet in the ground, not change and hope the world adapts to them. if you go that route, more and more businesses will very soon be out of business. the only way to thrive in business is to adapt to the ever changing world. |
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Apple decides not to support one of most widely used technologies on the web on its new device, and you are predicting the imminent death of every major website, because the iPad and the iPhone do not support Flash?!!! |
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02-09-2010, 07:03 AM | #11 |
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Sonist, you are still missing the point here. Flash is merely a plugin that can "enhance" (ehem) websites. By not supporting it Apple is not breaking ANY standards. The problems we got with IE6 were mainly due to its false interpretation of web standards, leading to non-valid markup intended to work around those bugs. IE also introduced some tags of its own which were incompatible to existing web standards, hence incompatible to competing browsers.
Developing for iPhone means being limited to a subset of features in some regards; developing for IE6 meant breaking standards compliancy in order to fix its messed up rendering of websites. |
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Flash, which has almost 100% penetration, which is supported by EVERY major browser, and ustilized by most of the major sites on the web, is not a "standard?" But HTML5, which is still in draft mode, which is supported to only varying degrees by the major browsers, which very few are brave enough to actually use, is a standard?! Here is what it says on the HTML5 draft page: "Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable. Implementors who are not taking part in the discussions are likely to find the specification changing out from under them in incompatible ways." And again, I am still amazed by the ignorance of some about HTML5 and Flash. HTML5, even when adopted, will NOT be a comprehensive replacement for Flash. Flash is Not only for video. There are applications where Flash will remain a better tool than HTML5. I am reposting the link to The Future of Web Content – HTML5, Flash & Mobile Apps, hopefully it will enlighten some as to the capabilities of Flash and HTML. Last edited by Sonist; 02-09-2010 at 04:25 PM. |
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02-09-2010, 04:10 PM | #13 | |
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The iPhone is a bug success, but it's a miniscule drop in the bucket as far as total web browsing goes. Even iPhone owners (and iPad owners in the future) will do most of their browsing on PCs and Laptops. The mobile devices are just for occasional browsing on the go when they're not at their PC or laptop. So not having Flash isn't going to have much impact on ad revenues of sites, as iPhone/iPad views will be a tiny % of the views they get each day. For sites that have mobile versions of their website, they can easily adapt and not use flash adds on the mobile site, while keeping them on the full website. More people will not buy an iPad for lack of flash (people like me that watch a lot of TV shows on Hulu, network sites etc.) than sites will go out of business because of declining ad revenues due to viewers not seeing flash ads on their iPhones/iPads because NO sites will go out of business for that reason. |
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Flash is out there, everywhere. A tablet that is supposed to be an "always connected media device" should certainly support something that is so widely used.
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02-09-2010, 04:34 PM | #15 |
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Sonist, please read this sentence carefully (ideally read it twice): Not supporting a standard is not the same as breaking a standard! iPhone's Mobile Safari supports a valid subset of official web standards!
And by the way, no, a proprietary, closed-source technology cannot ever, by definition, be called a standard. It may be a defacto standard, a pseudo standard, but it's not a real standard. Flash is as far away from being a standard as Microsoft Word's .DOC is. Regarding your weird argument about Flash being more than video: so is HTML5. So what exactly is your point? |
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