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Tool to automatically download and check epubs
For the EPUBs in Free eBooks-de/de, I started a tool to automatically download and epubcheck them, unfortunately their technical quality isn't quite as good as the proofreading is claimed to be. Now some users started to correct their uploads manually, maybe we might even try to automatically fix them. This makes me wonder if the English EPUBs could need a similar technical check, either by you guys or, if you have a public list of them like the Wiki list, via automated download and epubcheck. If you have any questions or need a translation of the thread I've linked, just feel free to ask.
In theory, more could be done with a library of valid EPUBs, but as they're not all in the Public Domain and the legal state per book is unknown, it's way too risky to work with them except in private (which I would consider as a waste of time, as other people would want or need such results as well). Could you please prominently sticky post a link to the origins and history of the Patricia Clark Memorial Library? I was unable to find it, but maybe I have just overlooked it. Last edited by skreutzer; 11-28-2015 at 01:38 PM. |
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We are not going to automatically fix them, but some uploaders (including myself) would appreciate reports and try to fix problems.
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OK, I'll look into adjusting my tool [1] to take the ePub Books forum or the corresponding index as source for threads with EPUB attachments as soon as time permits.
I naively assumed this, especially as I see no point in a restrictively licensed public library, but I was soon corrected that the copyright notice and upload policy allows cases where Quote:
I just realized that the index has a nice notice regarding Patricia Clark, while the eBook forums might be already way too full for it. [1] Note that with such enhancements, the idea of converting threads to EPUB and PDF for printing immediately pops into my mind... [2] Seems the posting guidelines under item 8 make such uploads CC0, and (some German) uploaders are not aware of that. If so, the copyright notice containing "the copyright holder has given specific permission for distribution" is misleading, it should explicitly state the CC0 licensing. Last edited by skreutzer; 11-28-2015 at 04:14 PM. |
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I hope so, yes, because I only retrieved copies and never distributed them. The main difference here is that MR has permissions from the uploaders while I have none, and by providing a tool to obtain the whole library at once, users of it might be unaware that the library is in part restrictively licensed. I might have to notify them that they're obliged to use the library only privately except they can resolve the legal status of individual files. By using the downloader, they don't get to see any legal notices for instance. [1] In some ways, that was very kind of him, because the download takes around 6+ hours, as there is a delay of 5 seconds (an eternity) between two downloads, and every download of the whole library from his server would have saved mobileread resources. Last edited by skreutzer; 11-28-2015 at 04:58 PM. |
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Yea I momentarily forgot Creative Common. The eBooks that are Creative Common must be marked as such. However, someone could declare their book public domain without the book being marked as such, I suppose.
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DaleDe, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who sometimes isn't all too aware of the conditions. Not that they're well understood by now, but at least I need a reminder from time to time.
CC0 and Public Domain are perfectly fine, and as I would consider them as "default" for most works in the lists, I don't worry about their legal status isn't explicitly stated in lists or threads. Instead, the minority of restrictively licensed works are a problem for me, as this information isn't machine-readable available somewhere, so they're indistinguishable from the free works, therefore the whole library looks like a minefield for me. When working with the entire library, there's absolutely no way to pass the field without stepping on a mine, and I have no method for finding paths around them. |
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Perhaps you should accept the fact that the library isn't an entity to be downloaded automatically, but a collection of individual books to be found, downloaded and enjoyed individually by human beings. You have created a problem that only exists because you have created it. I don't see any reason why we should put any effort into making the library compliant to your ideas, sorry.
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As I have said before. The library is compliant. The moderators here at MobileRead have inspected every author in the library and compared it to life+70. That is why we now have an offline library to collect the out of compliance books. They will be added back in on or after Jan 1st of each year when they become eligible. No one else need worry about this. The Moderators are doing the job.
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After all, I'm just looking into what 8142 EPUBs actually means. Update:
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Yes, in the past there was a difference. When the download site was set up we were USA compliant, not life+70. The site owner is from Switzerland and began to be worried about his personal liability, so within the last year he has changed the license to be ok for his country. We do watch for takedown notices and will respond to legitimate notices, but there have been none recently. We do have some cc eBooks with the license in the book for non-commercial use. Over our history the licenses have been USA, life+50, and now life+70. These were accompanied with different server locations. Of course a downloader could be anywhere in the world so the downloader is responsible to download that which is legal in his/her country.
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Concerning ebooks for which MR-members created own front pages there is (at least under german law) another aspect to keep in mind, that you are well aware of: If the font page contains a design that qualifies as a new work of craft or art, copyright exists for the creator. If the front page contains any photography which was created by the person who did create the front page, copyright for the photographer exists. This is, of course, also true for any such works embedded in the text of the ebook. As a result there could be claims concerning the complete ebook-file. I case of splitting front page (or illustrations) and text, the next question that arises would be that of the protection of a special layout, special fonts etc. etc. So on the whole I tend to agree with doubleshuffles statement on the matter. My expectation would be that if one tries (after loads and loads of interesting legal review of masses of individual titles) to make the whole library compliant to the project you have in mind, another library, or rather two or more of them would result and much be lost. (And that's the point where you can picture the old guy on the bench in front of the house saying: "Naa, wouldn't be the Patricia Clark Memorial Library then. Need some new names too." ![]() Last edited by beachwanderer; 11-30-2015 at 08:56 AM. |
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The cover is indeed an illustration but often the book itself also has illustrations which are covered by a second copyright. A translation also has a separate copyright. When known, all of these things were considered when the mod's reviewed the works for the latest pass at purging the books that were non-compliant. Of course we are only human. If you find any errors report them to the mods via the little ! symbol under the poster's name.
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