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Old 11-18-2015, 11:17 PM   #1
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Kindle Paperwhite 2015 vs. Nook GlowLight Plus vs. Kobo

I'm having a really tough time deciding what to pick up for myself, mainly due to the newly-released GlowLight Plus. I currently have a basic Nook Simple Touch and am looking to upgrade. The options I am considering are the 3rd-gen Kindle Paperwhite (2015), the Nook GlowLight Plus, the Kobo Glo HD, and the Kobo Aura H2O.

Some notes about my preferences:
  • My biggest complaint about my NST is the lack of a backlight, which all options satisfy.
  • My second biggest complaint is the way the eInk works, where the font gets slightly lighter on each page (or even certain spots of the page) until the whole screen eventually does a flashy refresh. I'm guessing the new eInk on all the devices avoids this.
  • The size of my NST is OK, but the buttons are bad and I find myself relying on the touchscreen.
  • I am (illogically) somewhat biased against mobi files, though I am not tied to any ecosystem whatsoever. I'm very comfortable converting books in Calibre, so format support and book selection are something of non-issues (obviously it would be more convenient to not have to convert).
  • I would like to stay around $100-130. On that basis alone, the H2O may be ruled out unless some retailer runs a Kobo Black Friday deal, which doesn't seem to be the case.
  • I don't care about waterproofing, 3G, Pocket integration, expandable memory, or syncing between devices.
  • Battery life is not a huge concern.
  • I would like even lighting and sharp, clear text.
  • I do like the idea of Kindle's "Word Wise" feature, but if it is only available on certain Kindle books, it loses a lot of value to me.

The way I see it:
  • The Nook GlowLight Plus is the new and improved version of what I have, but possibly a rushed product without a lot of feedback yet.
  • The Kindle Paperwhite is a very safe choice and will likely be the cheapest option for Black Friday. The text options aren't the best, but they seem more than sufficient.
  • The Kobo Aura H2O is big, waterproof, and the most expensive. I'm not sure how I feel about the size, but the waterproofing is neutral and the price is a big negative. If I was going to spend $180, I would probably be considering the Kindle Voyage instead.
  • The Kobo Glo HD seems like a middle of the road choice. I'm not familiar with Kobo besides what I've read.

Overall, I'm probably way overthinking this and will just end up with a Paperwhite next Friday... Just curious if anyone has any additional comments, especially with regard to the new GlowLight Plus.

Thanks!
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It sounds like your needs as stated here are fairly basic, in which case you're likely to be happy with whatever you pick up.

Are you keen on any particular ecosystem features, like Whispersync, or syncing sideloaded books between devices (eg ereader with phone)?

Do you have any opinions about fonts and display - i.e. are the basic Kindle options going to be fine for your eyeballs, or would you like finer control?

Do you care about having Calibre manage your collections (a) because it's easier in the first place and/or (b) because they can be readily restored from backup in case of a broken/stolen/lost device or factory reset? Or are you not a heavy collections user and therefore not bothered?

Do you have access to all devices locally, or have no issues with mail ordering?

(With the ghosting and refresh - all my devices have customisable refresh, so you can choose what suits you best. I'm not sure about how Nook or Kindle handles it, except that ghosting tends to be less of an issue on newer devices anyhow.)

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Old 11-19-2015, 07:04 AM   #3
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I just (a few months ago) had this same quandry, I ended up with the Paperwhite 3 and am very happy. Even without Jailbreak you can easily manage your collection via Calibre if you dont care about collections and if you do you can use amazons send to kindle service from calibre directly (use dual mobi conversion so they come out as AZW3 on amazons server).

Epub for me would have been nice as files are usually more common and smaller, AZW3 isnt bad though and with the ability to send to the cloud you dont have to store books locally if you dont want to or run out of space.

Recently a Jailbreak (without opening) was announced and currently is being delayed until amazon fixes the exploit so with that you can then manage collections via calibre and a plugin on your JB kindle. No idea when itll be released but hopefully before the end of the year.

Kobo are nice machines, can be organised directly from Calibre with no intervention or hacking and the Glo HD is supposed to be pretty much the same screen quality as the PW3. The H20 is the other machine I considered and it was only price that put me off as amazon offered me a deal as id been a previous kindle owner. H20 has epub, no need to hack, larger screen, and waterproof so is a lovely machine and would still be my prime choice if money wasn't a factor.

Ive no idea on the nooks sorry.
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It sounds like your needs as stated here are fairly basic, in which case you're likely to be happy with whatever you pick up.

Are you keen on any particular ecosystem features, like Whispersync, or syncing sideloaded books between devices (eg ereader with phone)?

Do you have any opinions about fonts and display - i.e. are the basic Kindle options going to be fine for your eyeballs, or would you like finer control?

Do you care about having Calibre manage your collections (a) because it's easier in the first place and/or (b) because they can be readily restored from backup in case of a broken/stolen/lost device or factory reset? Or are you not a heavy collections user and therefore not bothered?

Do you have access to all devices locally, or have no issues with mail ordering?

(With the ghosting and refresh - all my devices have customisable refresh, so you can choose what suits you best. I'm not sure about how Nook or Kindle handles it, except that ghosting tends to be less of an issue on newer devices anyhow.)
Ecosystem features... I don't care much about. As far as fonts and display, I guess I don't really know what the Kindle options really look like, as I haven't used one in person. My NST options were fine, though, so I would assume the same kinds of basic options would be fine again on the Kindle.

For Calibre, I don't even really use it as a collection or syncing tool, just for pulling up books on my computer and converting them to a different format, if/when necessary. I sideload 99.9% of my books and would plan on continuing that.

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I just (a few months ago) had this same quandry, I ended up with the Paperwhite 3 and am very happy. Even without Jailbreak you can easily manage your collection via Calibre if you dont care about collections and if you do you can use amazons send to kindle service from calibre directly (use dual mobi conversion so they come out as AZW3 on amazons server).

Epub for me would have been nice as files are usually more common and smaller, AZW3 isnt bad though and with the ability to send to the cloud you dont have to store books locally if you dont want to or run out of space.

Recently a Jailbreak (without opening) was announced and currently is being delayed until amazon fixes the exploit so with that you can then manage collections via calibre and a plugin on your JB kindle. No idea when itll be released but hopefully before the end of the year.

Kobo are nice machines, can be organised directly from Calibre with no intervention or hacking and the Glo HD is supposed to be pretty much the same screen quality as the PW3. The H20 is the other machine I considered and it was only price that put me off as amazon offered me a deal as id been a previous kindle owner. H20 has epub, no need to hack, larger screen, and waterproof so is a lovely machine and would still be my prime choice if money wasn't a factor.

Ive no idea on the nooks sorry.
Thanks for the info. For my pretty basic usage and sideloading, I can't see myself needing to jailbreak a Kindle, but may be something to look into more. I guess if I do end up with one, that would just be an extra "bonus" of some additional features.

I'm still hesitant about the Kobos, even though I know a lot of people are very happy with them. The H2O seems too expensive and the Glo HD seems like nothing special when compared to its Kindle/Nook peers.
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I have a Paperwhite 2nd gen (not 3rd) and a Voyage and a Kobo Aura and a Kobo Glo (but not one of the lastest Kobos) and the Nook Glowlight Plus. I read on all three. Like you I tend to sideload books. I buy them almost exclusively from Amazon and use Calibre to convert them to the format I need for a given reader.

I usually rotate among the readers, as well as my phone. I'm limited to short reading sessions on the phone but it's always there so I do a significant amount of reading on it, a few minutes at a time. The majority though is divided among the readers I mentioned above.

My current preference is the Nook although it's still so new and has so many gotchas that when the new wears off that might change. But there's something about it that I really do like. It just feels good in my hand while I'm reading. Or rather, I feel good while reading on it.

Before I got the Nook my Voyage was my reader of choice. I did about half my reading on it and the other half on all the others. I kind of expect to go back to that when the new wears off the Nook but maybe not. I really am liking the Nook.

If I could only have one ereader any one of these would make me happy. I like them all. If I could only have one and I could choose which one, no question, it would be the Voyage. It does everything right. And the Paperwhite is almost as good. That would be my second choice. I didn't include the Nook in this part because it's still too new and I don't know how I'll end up feeling about it.

However, my true preference is not to have just one reading device. I like switching from one to another. My usual practice is to read a book on my Voyage and then read a book on one of the other devices and then another one on the Voyage and I really like doing that. I like the variety.

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As far as fonts and display, I guess I don't really know what the Kindle options really look like, as I haven't used one in person. My NST options were fine, though, so I would assume the same kinds of basic options would be fine again on the Kindle.[...]
I'm still hesitant about the Kobos, even though I know a lot of people are very happy with them. The H2O seems too expensive and the Glo HD seems like nothing special when compared to its Kindle/Nook peers.
It does sound like you're likely to be happy with whatever you choose. It's not that any one device is 'special' compared to others, just that they all have a slightly different feature set to suit different individual needs and wants. For me, Kindle's lack of Calibre collections management and display control (including easy sideloading of fonts, fine control of margins and line spacing as well as font size) are dealbreaker missing features. For others, they care nothing for these issues, and other things matter more (ecosystem etc).

I would recommend you have a quick squiz at the font and display options before choosing a Kindle, if you haven't yet, just to check that they're fine for you - there are only three options for margin and line spacing, for example. In good news, the new Bookerly font is much easier to look at (for me, and quite a few others) than Caecilia.

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It does sound like you're likely to be happy with whatever you choose. It's not that any one device is 'special' compared to others, just that they all have a slightly different feature set to suit different individual needs and wants. For me, Kindle's lack of Calibre collections management and display control (including easy sideloading of fonts, fine control of margins and line spacing as well as font size) are dealbreaker missing features. For others, they care nothing for these issues, and other things matter more (ecosystem etc).

I would recommend you have a quick squiz at the font and display options before choosing a Kindle, if you haven't yet, just to check that they're fine for you - there are only three options for margin and line spacing, for example. In good news, the new Bookerly font is much easier to look at (for me, and quite a few others) than Caecilia.
Thanks for 'persuading' me to look up the Kindle font/display options.

I ended up remembering another dislike of my NST: the sunken display that doesn't sit flush with the bezel. Unless I'm mistaken, the Kindle Voyage is the only current option from Amazon/B&N/Kobo that offers that feature, though. I'm not a super hardcore reader, so I don't know that I can justify the price jump for it.
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Thanks for 'persuading' me to look up the Kindle font/display options.

I ended up remembering another dislike of my NST: the sunken display that doesn't sit flush with the bezel. Unless I'm mistaken, the Kindle Voyage is the only current option from Amazon/B&N/Kobo that offers that feature, though. I'm not a super hardcore reader, so I don't know that I can justify the price jump for it.
The Voyage is a lovely device, but then so is the GLO HD. For the extra price of the Voyage you not only get a flush screen/bezel but also hepatic buttons and adaptive lighting. I do think the text is sharp on the Voyage but it also is on the GLO HD but that has a sunken screen. The GLO HD also allows sharper darker fonts than any Kindle plus you can side load your own fonts if you want to and it's much more customisable than the kindles. Saying that though the Kindles do just work without any flaffing around, it's rare to get any software issues with a kindle.

I'd be careful with the new Nook Glow as its not treated as an external hard drive, you might want to check out the Nook forum or even the Calibre forum to see how Calibre treats it for side loading.

In my view side loading directly from a Calibre is best for the Kobos as it treats the Calibre bookshelf as the collection, for the kindles you have to manage the collections on the device once you have loaded your book which is fine after the initial set up but a pain when setting one up from scratch if you plan to send hundreds of books to it via Calibre.

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I did have a Kobo Aura but sold it on. The Aura is a nice device with a flush bezel, and it's cheap, but there's a reason for that, the screen is not as clear as your other choices. It's not just the PPI, it's more a murky layer over the font layer which makes the screen not as sharp as it could be. It's okay, and probably similar to your existing NST (yes I have one of those too ) but it's no where in the same league as the newer devices.

There's a reason Kobo has discontinued the device.
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I'm in the same boat as you.
I recently had my Kindle Paperwhite 1 stolen, and now am looking for a replacement.
The Kindle Paperwhite 3 would be a logical successor, but I feel I don't have enough of an upgrade to warrant another $120 something...
Sure, it has a better screen resolution, but despite the Paperwhite 1 being my favorite e-reader, there where a lot of things I didn't like about it.

1- It was a simple OS, without many expandability options.
2- It was very format-dependent, meaning, could read only few formats.
3- Didn't have a (micro)SD card slot.
4- For my big hands, I always thought that the Paperwhite always was a bit too small. It never could display the same information in the same way as a real paperback. It always seemed as if the screen was too small to fit a real book's info; or the font size had to be reduced.
5- The glow light could not be turned off completely, unless through a hack.

It may sound funny, but I never really used the glow light, save at night; with settings between 1 or 2 lines to about 33%.
Raising it to the max, the Paperwhite didn't differ that much from my tablet or phone in brightness.
Often I found I didn't need the glow light; and no matter how little power the leds where drawing; I just simply couldn't live with the knowledge, that they where drawing milli-Amps of power away from my batteries, probably hours or even days off of my recharge times...
It's the kind of thing where you see 4 items in a row, but number 3 is angled in a slight odd angle... The urge to place the item correctly...
Thankfully back in the day, there was a hack out for the Paperwhite. I fear it is not yet so for the PPW3.

There's one more thing I really like about the Voyager that the Paperwhite 3 doesn't have:
That fluent e-ink motion.
Most other devices are a bit choppy and laggy, while the Voyager is more fluent.

So the pros for me (water resistant is not really an issue for me), would be:
The voyager: Fluent e-ink motion.
THe H2O: The screen size I like for reading books; but it has an older OS technology, and it's price is still about $25-$50 above what I would like to see on a device like this.
And it does read a lot of free open source file formats, like my beloved EPub.
The Paperwhite 3: From the slower screen (like the H2O), to the few supported file formats, to the smaller screen size; the only thing this device has working for itself is the price.
In fact, if it wasn't for my Amazon Prime account offering plenty of free books, I would probably go with a cheaper Kobo HD instead.

Just like you, I'm at a struggle, hoping the Aura H2O will drop somewhat in price on black Friday.

This will be the first time I'll wait until black friday (1 week away), to make a purchase.
I wanted to buy things now, but realize if I could potentially save $10-$25 in one week, I will!
In the mean time, research!

I had good hopes for the Voyager 2; but aside from some Google page someone created,there is no real news about the device at all. Neither on Amazon, which usually would put the device for pre-order 30 days before releasing it.
I would think if they will release it, it'll be for the holidays.
I figure, I'll buy one device on Black friday, and if the Voyager 2 specs come out, and I like it, I'll make use of that 30 day return warranty of Amazon.

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I did have a Kobo Aura but sold it on. The Aura is a nice device with a flush bezel, and it's cheap, but there's a reason for that, the screen is not as clear as your other choices. It's not just the PPI, it's more a murky layer over the font layer which makes the screen not as sharp as it could be. It's okay, and probably similar to your existing NST (yes I have one of those too ) but it's no where in the same league as the newer devices.

There's a reason Kobo has discontinued the device.
I have a Kobo Aura among my many ereaders and I do agree with what you're saying about the screen. When I put it beside my other ereaders, even the Kobo Glo looks better, and the Voyage is a world better. But that's only when comparing. When actually reading I find the Aura feels just right and the screen seems just fine. it's not my favorite but it's certainly not my least favorite for reading. And it's easily the most comfortable device to hold while reading.

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If you live outside the USA, then I highly recommend the Kobo Glo HD. It's not middle of the road.
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