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Kindle sales have 'disappeared', says UK's largest book retailer
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It's not surprising. People who go to Waterstones go to buy a physical book, not buy an ereader. I'm constantly surprised that so few people even glance at the Kindle displays in Waterstones. It's not like they're even hidden away either, and people hardly show any interest. The fact that so many Waterstones have been refurbished has also helped their core product, physical books, as the more pleasant environment entices people into the shop, and lets them browse in comfortable surroundings. The selection of titles in even the smaller shops if pretty comprehensive, unlike what I have been hearing of Barnes and Noble in recent years. All in all, along with the other retailing improvements, is it any surprise that physical books have been doing better while the kindles are ignored? The answer is no. The fact that Daunt has turned an ailing chain around and is set to lead it into the black for the first time in years shows that when smart business sense is applied, even something as apparently as dead as a brick and mortar bookshop actually has more life in it that most people thought.
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How many Kindle ereaders were ever sold at Waterstones in the first place? A fairly low number I'd imagine since most people will buy direct from Amazon, or from places like Tesco & Argos where they quite often ran deals. Waterstones would have been the last place I'd have looked to buy a Kindle from.
![]() Like Waylander says, most people go to Waterstones to buy physical books. Seems a bit like a garage that also stocks cycling clothes coming out with a press release saying, looks cars are really still popular we've hardly sold any cycling gear whereas loads of people still come to us for car parts? |
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not at all surprising but for vastly different reasons. anyone only needs ONE kindle/kobo/nook to read HUNDREDS of books, so inherently there's far less demand for a device to read books than for the books themselves.
as to the amount spent in 2013 (2.2bn versus 300m), again no surprise. ebooks are anywhere from FREE to 1.99 to 4.99 and sometimes as high as 39.99 - but you'll NEVER see a FREE book in a book store, or a 1.99 book in a book store. paper books are more expensive to begin with so the sales of them should be higher - especially when even at the same price, most people would buy a real book than an ebook since the real book CAN be sold, lent to a friend, kept forever without fear of being deleted, etc. |
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The article that the link leads to is not the same as that from which the top quote comes from. Where is the article quoted from?
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From a "B&M book stores can survive" standpoint, it's a great story. From a "See ... physical books aren't going away soon" standpoint, it's a bit--well ... duh.
"Store that retools to help encourage the sale of physical books, does in fact sell less ereading devices (and more pbooks). Film at eleven." |
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There is, of course, a lot more choice when it comes to ebook reading devices. When kindles first came out, you had a choice between the kindle and Sony's PRS-500. Now people read on their tablets, smart phones, etc.
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Like, when does the Kindle deal expire? Or how were the readers featured at the stores before and after the redecorating? What were Kindle prices like? Were they matching the online sales? And actual sales numbers over time might be helpful: did they go from hundreds a day per store to none or from ten a day to once a week? The linked article is quoting Tim Waterstones who has minimal involvement with the stores, if I remember correctly, and is no fan of ebooks. Historically, ereader sales in bookstores have never bern terribly good. Kobo sales in allied US bookstores were quoted as single digits per store per day and before that Borders never did all that well either; not with Sony or with Kobo. There might be some spin involved especially if the contract is expiring. |
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Fair point. If Waterstones is about to end the deal with Amazon, then why not put the knife in? It makes sense. I find it odd that the store would publicize such a statement with a company they are in partnership with. It certainly sounds like there is an agenda.
Correction: As you say, the source of the statement has little connection with the stores. Maybe he's just a loose cannon. |
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The "people buy their Kindles from Amazon" also doesn't hold water. Watersons USED to sell a lot of kindles...now they sell almost none even though they are still offered. That speaks SOME to the fate of eInk readers. So does Sony getting out of the business and all the many other clear signs that the eInk reader market has seen it's day in the sun. They may not yet be in the VCR player category just yet, but it's a foregone conclusion. That the book store has revamped itself and revived the selling of physical books is not directly related to the slow down in sales of kindle readers. That surely falls into you "they worked to sell more pb and they did, fill at 11" |
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![]() My point was that it's not very surprising that a store that "revamped itself and revived the selling of physical books" actually sold more physical books. That they sold less Kindles is immaterial. I'm happy that a B&M chain has found a way to keep themselves afloat--and perhaps even thrive--in an era where many B&M stores are struggling. It is also my contention that Kindle sales volumes (or any dedicated reading device for that matter) are becoming less and less of an indicator of how pbooks are selling in relation to ebooks--because of the the things you mentioned like tablets and phones. "We sold more pbooks and almost no Kindles" just doesn't have the impact whoever was being quoted wanted it to have. It's a bit apples and oranges. Like you said; "plummeting" Kindle sales speaks more to the state of the current eink market than it does to how well pbooks are holding up to ebooks (or vice versa). The story should have been Waterstones' revitalization. Period. It's a good story. No need to junk it up with irrelevant Kindle sales hooey. Last edited by DiapDealer; 01-07-2015 at 02:03 PM. |
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