06-03-2008, 10:50 AM | #1 | |
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Stanford faculty debate the good and bad of e-books
Stanford is one of the universities collaborating with Google on the ambitious plan to digitize large numbers of books from the university's libraries. But little has been said yet how this digitized material will be used. The Stanford Daily reports that members of Stanford faculty are not sure about this either and that they disagree to some extent.
Proponent of the project have always argued that the project will provide well-indexed digital books for researchers and "mitigate the need to move books off campus". Neither claim is undisputed, though. Quote:
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06-03-2008, 11:22 AM | #2 |
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I actually DISLIKE using paper-books for research. If you have a solid format for your scientific or technical e-books (e.g. hyperlinked, nice search-function, cross-linking to other volumes, etc) an e-books is so much more comfortable.
Yes, I like opening a book in the middle or flipping through it to search for a given image (or similar) - but this is just a question of programming the UI. Give "page galeries" (e.g. showing 4-16 pages "per page"), a "flip bar" where you can click "just left of the middle", a nice index (toc, to images, to tables, index, ...) - and really, the new UI is better And regarding "annotation on the screen" - well, that is why touchscreens exists. As soon as you add color to your e-readers (and to your touchscreen) I can find not a single point in using p-books for myself. No, really - I cannot. And we're not even talking about linking to internet-content or automatically updating your books - which would be very welcome in scientific publishing, where books are quite often outdated the moment they get published. At least this is true in the growing field of biotechnologies and related subjects. But I don't think that p-books will disappear, for the very reason that a large number of people is afraid of using new techniques or so used to p-books that switching to e-books would simply be very hard. So p-books will still exist - at least for one generation - but I guess they will get more expensive with a growing e-book market. Especially in technical and scientific publishing. |
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Agreed, but I can't bring myself to write on books (not that you should write on library books anyway) which often led me to photocopying or scanning/printing large chunks of materials to scribble on to 'keep everything together (although, tbh, I usually used separate pieces of paper with colour coded and highlighted references ) . Similarly, when you had over 100 students needing access to a book the library only had 3 copies of it was chaos! The librarians had to make copies of the pertinent reading to lend out to prevent all-out war! What a waste of paper!
Having access to a digital format would definitely help in those situations so that a) when you DO get a book, you don't have someone else's comments inconsiderately scrawled all over it and b) you have instant access to the material you need and the option of flipping through musty old pages at your leisure! Would definitely have found it useful when I was at Uni, though I would have never, ever, ever, ever done away with the library! |
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Paperbooks serve a purpose, people arent afraid of new technology, theyre skeptical of the downsides (and there are downsides.) |
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Really - what is a library different from a) an archive of books (see e-books and a fileserver) b) a quite reading and working room ? |
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"But what...is it good for?"
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This sort of ties in, because I just found out that the university where I work is offering electronic downloads for textbooks for the coming fall. Sorry, but I don't know if it is for all courses, but a few minutes of exploring proved that I couldn't find a course that isn't using it. All pdf, but the kids will read them on laptops anyway, so format doesn't really matter. There's a big price break also, with (example) $70 books for $15 electronic, etc.
I was waiting at the car dealership yesterday, and this gentleman kept sending lustful glances in my direction. However, he had a book, and I think he was lusting for my EB-1150! |
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For music, the physical CD and digital MP3 are both made available. Why not do the same for books? Just make both formats available and let the people decide for themselves. Does it really matter as long as people are still reading? It is not like we are comparing paper books with audio books.
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Quite a number of people I know buy both - e- or b-books and audio-books.. |
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Good point, but I really did not mean to take audio books out of the equation. I think audio books are great. I just excluded them out of the comparison since paper books and audio books are completely different delivery methods. You listen to audio books while you read paper books. Whether using paper books or digitalized books, you are still reading.
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No one here sees any issue with Google scanning entire libraries of copyrighted (copywritten?) books, without permission from the copyright holders? What motive does Google have for this? Their entire business plan is based on monetizing content. They don't PRODUCE content though. We do. I think that's wrong, but that's how the web works, apparently.
Not so printed books. What gives Google the right to monetize printed books without permission from or financial compensation to the lawful copyright holders? The issue here is not the convenience or inconvenience of ebooks for research. The issue is whether Google has the right to steal content to drive their advertising engine. |
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I have a big problem with Google scanning those books. In fact I have a problem with Google in general.
My statement went for the general case e-book versus the general-case p-book. And I prefer e-books for the reasons mentioned before. But the question really is: Why is Google doing this? Because publishers and a large percentage of creatives were to ignorant to see the new market. Because no one else (with the right to do so, e.g. the publishers or authors themselves) is doing this and filling the market. The publishing industrie has a completely home grown problem - and they ATM do nothing to change this. They e.g. cry that Amazon pays not enough and that they are afraid of Amazon lowering the price because of the Kindle sales. What would be a very possible alternative? Just let other companys (and formats) sell those e-books. It will keep Amazon from getting that market position the publishers fear. Are they doing this? No. See point ignorance. |
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Question for those of you who are so certain you can do effective research via ebooks: what do you do when you need to have more than one book open? When I wrote my doctoral thesis, I sometimes had as many as 10 books open at once. Am I to get several Kindles?
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When the wolf comes knocking on your door, it's appropriate to question his motives. So when Google, the largest intellectual property pirate on the planet, says to a library, "Hey, we've got a great idea!", the FIRST question should be regarding their intentions, NOT the pros and cons of digital reading. |
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