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Serious Bugs in T5 Software
![]() So bad that changing the default view in the built-in calendar app can force a hard reset. And a hard reset apparently clears all the internal flash memory also. That also means backup files better be kept on an external card. One T5 tester there was very frustrated after over 11 hard resets. (Don't know if they were all related to this one bug or not.) Hard to tell if it's a sign of big problems or if it will be fixed with a simple software patch, but there are some other signs that the device was rushed out. For example it seems to indicate vibration alarms, which are not available on the T5. Even the marketing papers said it had a voice recorder, which it doesn't. Have they rushed this out too fast and created some junk? Or maybe they planned to use Cobalt and had to pull back to Garnet late in the game? If they don't resolve the complaints, I'll have to consider passing on the T5 (even though I'm a buyer desperate to upgrade.) Seems like my alternatives are: * Buy a Zodiac2. Only problem is that it doesn't have a slim case that fits in my pocket. Plus other little annoyances like the clips to hold the sylus. * Wait for the next round of PalmOne devices or Zodiacs next year. * Buy a Dell Axiom X50 PPC when it comes out. To be honest, as much as I love the Palm platform, I'm seriously considering PPC if these T5 problems don't go away. I see only signs of danger ahead -- cutbacks at PalmSource, delays in Cobalt, problems with T5, focus on smartphones not traditional PDAs I want, signs that programmers think PPC is easier to code for, many more apps on PPC like ReplayRadio player and emulators and games and VOIP phone, etc etc. I like PalmOS. I'm excited about up and coming stuff like Sunrise. I want Palm companies to succeed, and I think it's the better platform with a better philosophy. I'm even willing to stick with them even if they're a product cycle or two behind on price and hardware. But if they just can't get their act together, I'll have to look elsewhere until they do. Of course, to add some balance, we don't know if this is a big problem or not. They might be able to fix it soon and make the T5 stable, Then all my other concerns are not show stoppers because I like PalmOS enough to bear with some deficiencies or concerns about the future. Gee, just when I thought my waiting was almost over for a new PDA. Now I have to wait not just for availablility of a T5, but to see if it's any good. If an x50 comes out soon, I might get it because I'm sick of waiting. It would at least hold me over until I find out if PalmOne or Zodiac has anything for us in the future. I'm very, very frustrated and impatient!.... |
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Is papyrophobic!
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Common, Bob, give them time. palmOne had only what, like one year, to announce the T5? Just wait another year and I promise you the bugs will be fixed (ok, you will have to pay another $400 for the upgraded model, but who is counting).
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Morpheus, I didn't know you could be so sarcastic...
Bob, believe me, I am fully sharing your frustration! ![]() |
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It took them more than 10 months to make the T5 (it was supposedly already way into its development cycle when OS6 gone gold last December), and it seem it was not beta tested properly... The bug seem to be easily triggered, and surely any serious beta test would have caught it in the first week or so...
So much for quality control... Some m505 comes with the cradle static issue. The Tungsten C takes two ROM upgrade to fix the BOSS issue. The Tungsten T3, takes a month to solve the frying SD issue, and the crazy graffitti on some still await a fix almost a year after. The Zire 72 paint peels off in less than a month of typical usage. If they are manufacturing vaccines, they would have closed by regulators years ago...lucky them, they are not... |
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This probably seal any chance that I will upgrade to the T5. I will probably defer buying a PDA this year and look to buying a second PC (preferably a Shuttle XPC)...
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T5 Calendar Bug Temporary Workaround
Hope is renewed for those of us wanting to buy the new PalmOne Tungsten T5. PalmOne is aware of the calendar glitch and is indeed working on a patch fix. Hopefully it will be a real fix and they will take care of the digitizer and delete confirmation dialog problems also.
Here's what was posted on the PalmOne support site when I searched for FAQ items for the T5... Quote:
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I guess I'm in the same boat. Still relying heavily on my M515, desprate for an upgrade, but is it the T5? I was actually was contemplating a T3, but they haven't really made the price that attractive. On the Singapore web page, the T5 is quoted at S$718, which is a tad cheaper than my M515 bought almost 3 years ago. The T3 is still quoted at the same S$718 price. No change for the last 6 months or so, after PalmOne tried to sell the T3 packaged together with a Zire21 for about S$50 more. You know, the his and her bundled package, but come on, give me a break.
Somehow this is telling me PalmOne really can't sell their wares. |
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Sorry P1, you've missed the boat. I've bypassed the T|5 for the Z2.
I thought I'd let you guys know (and P1, if they're listening) that I'm ready for a new PDA (tired of the digitizer/screen problems.) I decided to stay within the Palm OS family, because as a Mac guy it doesn't make sense to get a mini PC (even if there's third party software to make the Sync smooth.)
With Sony out of the U.S. market, the only other choice was Tapwave's Zodiac. I like the spec's, except for a few things... 1) The size is bulky compared to the Tungsten T family, but I like the full-time tablet form. 2) Going from Palm OS 5.4 to OS 5.2 seems like a more drastic step back in time than it really is. I miss being able to write on the screen and that little toolbar that I can press on to check on the battery life and such. So, if P1 gets it together in the next incarnation I may come back to the fold. But since I need a working Palm OS device now, the Zodiac2 does it for me. And with the 2 year thingy from CompUSA, if any company comes out with a better solution, I can upgrade. I know, hope springs eternal. POL9A |
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Good luck with the Zodiac, POL. I was very tempted by them also. I think they're great PDAs, and you might find that the form factor is even better than you hoped... people are reporting that it looks much better and smaller in person than in the pictures.
I can tell you first hand that if you do more than the basic PIMs (e.g. if you have some other software like ShadowPlan that you depend on) you would have had some work to do if you went to the PPC side of things like I'm trying right now. The jump to Zodiac should be fun and straightforward. But what is the CompUSA 2 year thingy???!!!!! |
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Hey, Thanks Bob!
I do appreciate the support.
The Z2 is really bulky as a PDA, and with the leather case it's virtually unpocketable. It'll fit in my pocket if I don't kneel down (to tie shoes or for anything else.) Other than that, and a few 3rd party software tweaks (or inconsistancies), all is well in POL-land. I think I'd have severe problems if i"d have gone through with my PPC purchase (or if Costco actually had in stock the 2 HP h4455's (?) their computer said they had. I suspect that they "fell of the truck" touching nose.) Good luck with your transition, Bob. I really wanted to stay with Palm OS because of my familiarity with it and because of the many 3rd party software programs I've invested in over the years. I'm really glad TapWave's Zodiac was around. I've not been much of a Sony PDA fan before, but I missed their selections when I was looking for a replacement PDA for my T|3. And, as much as I loathe smartphones and convergence, I do have to admit that I'd considered the Treo 600 more than once. (If it weren't for the small, lo-res screen, the non-BT, and the fact that I already have 2 great phones (S-E T637 and T610), I might've bitten on the hook.) The "CompUSA thingy" that I so eloquently alluded to is the PDA-buyer-insurance-extended-warranty shill that the salespeople get gold stars in their little competitions for. I told the guy that it didn't interest me at that price point ($99.00) and he asked me at what price would it appeal to me. I told him half, that for $50.00 it might sound reasonable. He told me that he himself was authorized to cut the price by $15.00, but his manager might accept a deal. He came back and told me that his manager would take $40.00 off the the price of the Zodiac2 if I bought the PDA warranty at full price. I decided to finally buy an extended warranty for a PDA and if P1 or Tapwave deide to put out my perfect PDA over the next 2 years, then I'll use the extended warranty to switch over to it. To be honest, if TapWave comes out with a Zodiace just like it is, but with Wi-Fi, then I might just explode with happiness. Imploding with frustration now by not being able to HotSync. Come on Missing Sync tech support!! POL9A |
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