Not finding Metadata

spanishguy · 03-15-2011, 04:16 PM

Why do I have to look for the ISBN on Amazon and inserting it manually rather than calibre finding it via the author /title name to enable download of metadata?

Starson17 · 03-15-2011, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanishguy

Why do I have to look for the ISBN on Amazon and inserting it manually rather than calibre finding it via the author /title name to enable download of metadata?

You don't. Calibre takes the author/title and finds the ISBN, then uses that to get other metadata.

spanishguy · 03-16-2011, 06:12 AM

Not for me it works sometimes but more often than not I have to do it manually.
This is one that I had to do the folllowing is just copied from the box's in order

eg.Down River

Down River

Harper, Karen

Karen, Harper,

The result was not found, any ideas would be appreciated.

Manichean · 03-16-2011, 06:40 AM

I'm assuming "copied from the boxes in order" means that you have your author field set to LN, FN and your author_sort field set to FN, LN? That might confuse the downloader. Try changing your settings so that author_sort contains LN, FN as well. (Note that I'm guessing, this may have no effect at all.)

spanishguy · 03-16-2011, 09:16 AM

tried that but still the same...!!!!!

DoctorOhh · 03-16-2011, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanishguy

This is one that I had to do the folllowing is just copied from the box's in order

Down River

Karen Harper

I put the above in Title and author, made sure the isbn was empty and the metadata downloaded first attempt. Check your metadata download plugins (customize each) and make sure the appropriate boxes are checked.

If it doesn't work click the down arrow next to preferences and restart in debug mode. After it restarts try again and when you quit calibre the log file that pops up might give yoou some insight into what is going on.

Good Luck.

spanishguy · 03-16-2011, 12:42 PM

Rebooted into debug mode and lo and behold it started finding data !!!! Not all there yet but a definite improvement this is the result of the short bit I did. I'm going to upgrade now and will let you know the results.

btw thanks for taking the time to help out it is very much appreciated.

Started up in 23.3870000839
Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range
Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780755352562 found
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780425234334 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352579 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780515149494 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352562 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780425234334 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780425234334 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780515149494 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352579 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352562 found
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780425234334 found
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780755352579 found
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780515149494 found
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780755352562 found
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Rejecting Goodreads result for title 'Shit My Dad Says ' as found 'Sh*t My Dad Says'
Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range
Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range
Douban.com covers: cover for 9780752227405 found
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780752227405 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780330533454 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780752227405 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780752227481 found
No Goodreads title/author match found for 'Honeymoon Of the Dead (2010)' by 'Hallaway, Tate'
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780425234129 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780425234129 found
No Goodreads title/author match found for 'Almost to Die For ' by 'Hallaway, Tate - a Vampire Princess'
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780451230577 found
amazon.com covers: cover for 9780451230577 found
Nicebooks covers: cover for 9781420111873 found

kiwidude · 03-16-2011, 12:49 PM

Looking at your results there. For a start I would disable the Nicebooks and Douban plugins - clearly they are broken at the moment. The Goodreads plugin should give you results. You can see the reasons there why it does not. For instance a title with "(2010)" in it. An author with " - a Vampire Princess" in it etc.

itimpi · 03-16-2011, 01:23 PM

I think that a lot of pople do not realize thAt giving TOO MUCH information to the search can be counter-productive. It can often cause a search to fail as not all the search terms can be matched. It all depends on how the back-end server handles terms that are not matched. Some return no results, while others give the 'best match'.

Of course the corrolary also applies - making the search terms too general can mean that too many results are returned and one has to wade through them to find the correct ones.

kiwidude · 03-16-2011, 01:34 PM

Indeed. It is also web search engine specific - some of those websites the metadata downloaders hit play nicely, and others are annoyingly finnicky, like not wanting spaces between an authors initials.

There is an extra complication with the Goodreads plugin and it is something I will tweak when I do the next version. The way it works is it fires a search at Goodreads, and then takes the first search result that comes back. However the Goodreads search engine can be "overly helpful" and give you a completely different book if it did not find an exact match (this only applies to title/author searches, not ISBN ones). So I have some code which does some crude checking between the title/author of the search result it found, and that in Calibre, just to make sure you don't get data for an unrelated book back, which is worse than no data at all imho. It can be in some cases that my validation checking is a little "too" strict, and so some extra characters like "(2010)" at the end of a title might reject the Goodreads result for not matching closely enough.

As itimpi says it is a very fine balance, I have tried to take a conservative approach under the belief that no data is better than wrong data. However you have to "help it a little" at times by cleaning the cruft out of your authors and titles.

spanishguy · 03-16-2011, 01:41 PM

Thanks kiwidude done that, never realised that the Nicebooks was enabled. As for the 2010, I have lot of books that someone decided to add that date to the title, is there a quick way to remove this in bulk, so to speak or do I have to do it manually? Since upgrading and doing the tweaks suggested here it is working much better, in fact that I have had since I installed the program.

DoctorOhh · 03-16-2011, 08:24 PM

Go back to basics. Disable Nicebooks and Douban plugins. Ensure Googlebooks and ISBNdb are enabled along with Amazon and Goodreads. Go to isbndb.com, create an account, login, go to development area and get an access key. Customize the isbndb plugin and add the access key.

Test to see how it works. Review the log.

To remove the date use the search and replace feature, start with this post to get an idea what you can do. Read the links pointed to and this regex tutorial, then ask any specific question in this forum.

Good Luck.

03-15-2011, 04:16 PM	#1
spanishguy Member Posts: 24 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Was Liverpool now Torrox Spain Device: kindle	Not finding Metadata Why do I have to look for the ISBN on Amazon and inserting it manually rather than calibre finding it via the author /title name to enable download of metadata?

03-16-2011, 08:24 PM	#12
DoctorOhh US Navy, Retired Posts: 9,879 Karma: 13806776 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: North Carolina Device: Icarus Illumina XL HD, Kindle PaperWhite SE 11th Gen	Go back to basics. Disable Nicebooks and Douban plugins. Ensure Googlebooks and ISBNdb are enabled along with Amazon and Goodreads. Go to isbndb.com, create an account, login, go to development area and get an access key. Customize the isbndb plugin and add the access key. Test to see how it works. Review the log. To remove the date use the search and replace feature, start with this post to get an idea what you can do. Read the links pointed to and this regex tutorial, then ask any specific question in this forum. Good Luck. Last edited by DoctorOhh; 03-16-2011 at 08:35 PM.

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03-16-2011, 06:12 AM	#3
spanishguy Member Posts: 24 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Was Liverpool now Torrox Spain Device: kindle	Not for me it works sometimes but more often than not I have to do it manually. This is one that I had to do the folllowing is just copied from the box's in order eg.Down River Down River Harper, Karen Karen, Harper, The result was not found, any ideas would be appreciated.

03-16-2011, 06:40 AM	#4
Manichean Wizard Posts: 3,130 Karma: 91256 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Device: Cybook Gen3	I'm assuming "copied from the boxes in order" means that you have your author field set to LN, FN and your author_sort field set to FN, LN? That might confuse the downloader. Try changing your settings so that author_sort contains LN, FN as well. (Note that I'm guessing, this may have no effect at all.)

03-16-2011, 09:16 AM	#5
spanishguy Member Posts: 24 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Was Liverpool now Torrox Spain Device: kindle	tried that but still the same...!!!!!

03-16-2011, 12:42 PM	#7
spanishguy Member Posts: 24 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Was Liverpool now Torrox Spain Device: kindle	Rebooted into debug mode and lo and behold it started finding data !!!! Not all there yet but a definite improvement this is the result of the short bit I did. I'm going to upgrade now and will let you know the results. btw thanks for taking the time to help out it is very much appreciated. Started up in 23.3870000839 Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780755352562 found Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780425234334 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352579 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780515149494 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352562 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780425234334 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780425234334 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780515149494 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352579 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780755352562 found Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780425234334 found Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780755352579 found Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780515149494 found Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780755352562 found Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Rejecting Goodreads result for title 'Shit My Dad Says ' as found 'Sh*t My Dad Says' Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range Nicebooks covers: tuple index out of range Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Douban.com covers: tuple index out of range Douban.com covers: cover for 9780752227405 found Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780752227405 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780330533454 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780752227405 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780752227481 found No Goodreads title/author match found for 'Honeymoon Of the Dead (2010)' by 'Hallaway, Tate' Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780425234129 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780425234129 found No Goodreads title/author match found for 'Almost to Die For ' by 'Hallaway, Tate - a Vampire Princess' Nicebooks covers: cover for 9780451230577 found amazon.com covers: cover for 9780451230577 found Nicebooks covers: cover for 9781420111873 found

03-16-2011, 12:49 PM	#8
kiwidude Calibre Plugins Developer Posts: 4,694 Karma: 2162246 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Oasis	Looking at your results there. For a start I would disable the Nicebooks and Douban plugins - clearly they are broken at the moment. The Goodreads plugin should give you results. You can see the reasons there why it does not. For instance a title with "(2010)" in it. An author with " - a Vampire Princess" in it etc.

03-16-2011, 01:23 PM	#9
itimpi Wizard Posts: 4,553 Karma: 950151 Join Date: Nov 2008 Device: Sony PRS-950, iphone/ipad (Marvin/iBooks/QuickReader)	I think that a lot of pople do not realize thAt giving TOO MUCH information to the search can be counter-productive. It can often cause a search to fail as not all the search terms can be matched. It all depends on how the back-end server handles terms that are not matched. Some return no results, while others give the 'best match'. Of course the corrolary also applies - making the search terms too general can mean that too many results are returned and one has to wade through them to find the correct ones.

03-16-2011, 01:34 PM	#10
kiwidude Calibre Plugins Developer Posts: 4,694 Karma: 2162246 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Oasis	Indeed. It is also web search engine specific - some of those websites the metadata downloaders hit play nicely, and others are annoyingly finnicky, like not wanting spaces between an authors initials. There is an extra complication with the Goodreads plugin and it is something I will tweak when I do the next version. The way it works is it fires a search at Goodreads, and then takes the first search result that comes back. However the Goodreads search engine can be "overly helpful" and give you a completely different book if it did not find an exact match (this only applies to title/author searches, not ISBN ones). So I have some code which does some crude checking between the title/author of the search result it found, and that in Calibre, just to make sure you don't get data for an unrelated book back, which is worse than no data at all imho. It can be in some cases that my validation checking is a little "too" strict, and so some extra characters like "(2010)" at the end of a title might reject the Goodreads result for not matching closely enough. As itimpi says it is a very fine balance, I have tried to take a conservative approach under the belief that no data is better than wrong data. However you have to "help it a little" at times by cleaning the cruft out of your authors and titles.

03-16-2011, 01:41 PM	#11
spanishguy Member Posts: 24 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Was Liverpool now Torrox Spain Device: kindle	Thanks kiwidude done that, never realised that the Nicebooks was enabled. As for the 2010, I have lot of books that someone decided to add that date to the title, is there a quick way to remove this in bulk, so to speak or do I have to do it manually? Since upgrading and doing the tweaks suggested here it is working much better, in fact that I have had since I installed the program.

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