When will there be a COLOR iLiad with larger screen (and higher resolution)?

yuliang · 06-29-2007, 03:18 AM

AFAIK, eink already produced color epaper. I hope iRex will produce a color version of iLiad soon. And, with a larger screen and a higher resolution, since it's essential for reading academic documents.

JSWolf · 06-29-2007, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by yuliang

AFAIK, eink already produced color epaper. I hope iRex will produce a color version of iLiad soon. And, with a larger screen and a higher resolution, since it's essential for reading academic documents.

With Adobe coming out with DE 1.0, once DE is finished for LInux, there should be no reason academic papers to be produced in PDF format. If these papers are meant to be read more then printed, then DE will be the way to publish them in the future and in that case, the iLiad as it is will be fine once it gets DE on board.

yuliang · 06-29-2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

With Adobe coming out with DE 1.0, once DE is finished for LInux, there should be no reason academic papers to be produced in PDF format. If these papers are meant to be read more then printed, then DE will be the way to publish them in the future and in that case, the iLiad as it is will be fine once it gets DE on board.

Could you explain what is 'DE 1.0' and why 'the iLiad as it is will be fine once it gets DE on board'?

Antartica · 06-29-2007, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by yuliang

Could you explain what is 'DE 1.0' and why 'the iLiad as it is will be fine once it gets DE on board'?

DE 1.0 is Adobe Digital Editions 1.0

It's similar to Acrobat in the sense that it generates electronic documents to be distributed and read elsewhere, but instead of producing PDF documents, it produces EPUB documents.

PDF documents have a fixed output (for example, to be printed in A4 paper), while EPUB documents are reflowable in the same way that HTML pages are. So in EPUB documents you can change the font size, change the paper size et al. and it will re-adapt itself to look good using those parameters.

So, if people begin using EPUB docs instead of PDF docs when they're meant to be read without resorting to print them, the future will be bright and shiny :-).

JSWolf · 06-29-2007, 05:00 AM

Antartica, could not have said it better myself. Good Job!

HarryT · 06-29-2007, 05:20 AM

Colour eInk displays are probably several years away from commercial production. They have, I believe, only reached the "technology demonstration" stage at present.

Remember too that a colour device has inherently only 1/3 the resolution of an equivalent B&W device, because you need three pixels (R,G,B) in place of one. For applications such as reading eBooks, personally I'd rather have the existing eInk technology rather than a colour one with 1/3 the resolution.

joblack · 06-29-2007, 07:06 AM

The PDF Format is free .. I can speak for my university. They will still get PDF ... it´s (more or less) open and the format ist understandable.

In fact, DE understands PDF ... so what is the problem.

Alexander Turcic · 06-29-2007, 07:58 AM

Personally I don't need color... I'd be a happy camper if E Ink further improved the contrast and brightness of the existing technology!

pdam · 06-29-2007, 08:06 AM

In terms of DE 1.0, it wont change the format of academic papers from PDF - only customer demand will do this, currently I haven't read about any demand on library newswires ...

It will also mean the producers having to change their back end production systems and libraries who store files having to accommodate a new format ... this all takes both time and moneyso I woulnt hold your breath in the short term (next 2 years) for academic papers being in DE 1.0 format universally ...

athlonkmf · 06-29-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

With Adobe coming out with DE 1.0, once DE is finished for LInux, there should be no reason academic papers to be produced in PDF format. If these papers are meant to be read more then printed, then DE will be the way to publish them in the future and in that case, the iLiad as it is will be fine once it gets DE on board.

There is one good reason academic papers will remain produced as PDF. It's complete integrated in their systems. Why would they update or save as another format when they've made PDF for decades?
Just saying that it's hard for people to change their ways.

tribble · 06-29-2007, 08:44 AM

Color eink works nicely. I have seen a sample. But is far from anything you would want in your reading device. Contrast still quite low. Resolution is one fourth of what the iLiad can do right now. And the price tag is far beyond anything funny at the moment.

I would say at least 5 years until we see something really usable and affordable in color eink for the consumer market.

yvanleterrible · 06-29-2007, 08:44 AM

You can download DE from here.

C'mon guys how can you forget to link up?

HarryT · 06-29-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by joblack

The PDF Format is free .. I can speak for my university. They will still get PDF ... it´s (more or less) open and the format ist understandable.

In fact, DE understands PDF ... so what is the problem.

The "problem" is that a PDF file has a fixed "page size", eg A4 or US Letter. There's no ideal way to view such pages on devices with smaller page sizes, such as the Iliad or Sony Reader or, even worse, a PDA. With a "DE" document, the contents of the page "reflow" to fit the size of the device on which it's being viewed. A tremendous improvement.

yokos · 06-29-2007, 10:56 AM

Well, "my academic documents" don't need colour, even the text books are in b&w, some with additional red ink to mark important paragraphs/equations.

Colour e-ink will be the next logical step; but when this will be buyable is another question.

A know problem is that the PR-guys are much too optimistic. They try to sell products which will exit in near future. Sometimes "near" are years.

Back to to this pdf/Adobe DE thing: the format in natural science academic world is pdf because it is a natural output of LaTeX. If you wanna be cute to your reader you will publish the source tex file, too. Then the reader can reflow content/generate a pdf with wanted dimension.

NatCh · 06-29-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by yokos

... the format in natural science academic world is pdf because it is a natural output of LaTeX.

Is there any bar to an EPUB (DE) document also being a natural output of LaTeX?

06-29-2007, 03:18 AM	#1
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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Colour eInk displays are probably several years away from commercial production. They have, I believe, only reached the "technology demonstration" stage at present. Remember too that a colour device has inherently only 1/3 the resolution of an equivalent B&W device, because you need three pixels (R,G,B) in place of one. For applications such as reading eBooks, personally I'd rather have the existing eInk technology rather than a colour one with 1/3 the resolution.

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joblack Wizard Posts: 1,746 Karma: 4382688 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere on earth Device: Onyx Boox Tab X	The PDF Format is free .. I can speak for my university. They will still get PDF ... it´s (more or less) open and the format ist understandable. In fact, DE understands PDF ... so what is the problem.

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Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,171 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	Personally I don't need color... I'd be a happy camper if E Ink further improved the contrast and brightness of the existing technology!

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pdam Groupie Posts: 199 Karma: 100 Join Date: Aug 2006 Device: iLiad, iPaq, Psion5&7, Blackberry	In terms of DE 1.0, it wont change the format of academic papers from PDF - only customer demand will do this, currently I haven't read about any demand on library newswires ... It will also mean the producers having to change their back end production systems and libraries who store files having to accommodate a new format ... this all takes both time and moneyso I woulnt hold your breath in the short term (next 2 years) for academic papers being in DE 1.0 format universally ...

06-29-2007, 08:44 AM	#11
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	Color eink works nicely. I have seen a sample. But is far from anything you would want in your reading device. Contrast still quite low. Resolution is one fourth of what the iLiad can do right now. And the price tag is far beyond anything funny at the moment. I would say at least 5 years until we see something really usable and affordable in color eink for the consumer market.

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yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	You can download DE from here. C'mon guys how can you forget to link up?

06-29-2007, 10:56 AM	#14
yokos Pac-Man caught my iLiad. Posts: 807 Karma: 3595 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany; next to Baltic Sea Device: Boox Max Lumi, iRex iLiad (RIP)	Well, "my academic documents" don't need colour, even the text books are in b&w, some with additional red ink to mark important paragraphs/equations. Colour e-ink will be the next logical step; but when this will be buyable is another question. A know problem is that the PR-guys are much too optimistic. They try to sell products which will exit in near future. Sometimes "near" are years. Back to to this pdf/Adobe DE thing: the format in natural science academic world is pdf because it is a natural output of LaTeX. If you wanna be cute to your reader you will publish the source tex file, too. Then the reader can reflow content/generate a pdf with wanted dimension.

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