About the "Offline" forums

[HarryT]

The MobileRead book library strives to be strictly compliant with "Life+70" copyright law. This section and its sub-sections contain references to books which were uploaded in the past under different copyright laws and are not compliant with "Life+70".

There are no downloads, and this section and its sub-sections are purely for your reference. When a book becomes compliant with "Life+70", it will be uploaded to the main library, and will once again be available for downloading.

[DaleDe]

Note to those that posted these eBooks. It may be that it was only the illustrations were copyrighted. If you know the author or translator has been dead more than 70 years you might want to post an unillustrated version of the eBook. Remember the cover could also be copyrighted.

Dale

[eschwartz]

The New Posts link in the site header -- the "- w/o E-book Uploads" one -- does not exclude this subforum. Probably irrelevant though. I did find two books that were recent enough to still be in the New Posts list...

[BobC]

Perhaps someone could help me - I posted the book "Robert Helmont, Diary of a recluse" which was published in 1888. The Author (Alphonse Daudet) died in 1897. However the book is a translation prior to 1888 by Laura Ensor and was illustrated by Picard and Montegut (again prior to 1888).

The book is now in the "offline" section.

There is little point in my purging the book of illustrations if it is the translator who falls foul of the 70year limit, however I can find no biographical information about her or the illustrators.

I would expect people working before 1888 to be dead by 1947 but cannot prove it as all we have is a name for them and Google has not turned up anything.

How do I resolve this - is it a matter of if there is no clear evidence then it's assumed the book contravenes the 70+ limit or does someone know if it is the translator or the illustrator who was alive until 1947 ?

BobC

[HarryT]

The reason the book is in the offline section is that one of the illustrators, Picard, died in 1946, so the book will enter the life+70 public domain on 1st Jan 2017.

I'd just wait: it's not all that far off.

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Picard, died in 1946

Source: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges..._%28peintre%29
http://polarbearstale.blogspot.se/20...1857-1946.html
http://www.19thcenturypaintings.com/...asp?stockID=86

If there is evidence that this Georges Picard is not the illustrator, let us know.

[BobC]

Thanks for the explanation - the problem I had was that it simply quoted "Picard and Montegut" as Illustrators and without George Picards's given name it was difficult to find out anything about him or his collaborator Montegut.

My compliments to those whose diligence exposed what I had been unable to discover. I thought an 1888 book would now be clear of copyright but this one serves as an illustration (no pun intended) of the pitfalls of such assumptions. Authors are reasonably easy to check up on, translators and illustrators less so.

BobC

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by BobC

My compliments to those whose diligence exposed what I had been unable to discover. I thought an 1888 book would now be clear of copyright but this one serves as an illustration (no pun intended) of the pitfalls of such assumptions. Authors are reasonably easy to check up on, translators and illustrators less so.

BobC

Jellby is very skilled at tracking these things down!

[crich70]

A warning email would have been nice (stating the why) so that uploaders could correct things easier. Of course I realize that would be rather difficult in the case of two of the biggest 'offline' contributors as both Patricia and rwood are no longer with us.

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by crich70

A warning email would have been nice (stating the why) so that uploaders could correct things easier.

Like traveling back in time and killing the author a few years earlier (but not before he/she wrote the work!)

Yes, I'm kidding, I know you mean removing illustrations, introductions or other additional content. The problem is that there are thousands of disabled uploads and, anyway, there's no hurry.

[SBT]

Any suggestions about how to identify a revised upload as an expurgated version?
Removing illustrations is straightforward, but what about Shackletons "Heart of the Antarctic", where I'll remove a number of appendices, or Holbergs "Niels Klim", where I'll remove the introduction and all the footnotes?
Is there some kind of standardized tag I can add to indicate when the full version will fall into the public domain?

[DaleDe]

Yes Illustrations is usually in the title so it is easy. I think the description can identify the missing items and link to the full version even though it isn't available yet due to copyright laws. When threads are moved the identification is not changed. A tag identifying the date is a good idea to identify when a particular book will become available.

[Jellby]

If you upload a new book, we'll check its copyright status again. If the new book does not have copyrighted material (illustrations, annotations...) it will not be marked as "offline". If you modify an existing upload, PM some moderator (HarryT is the main library manager) to notify the change.

As DaleDe says, specify removed items in the description, and make sure the titles are different, so we don't mistakenly identify the new version as the old one in a different format. If the illustrated version had "(illus.)", just don't add it in the version without illustrations, and so on.

[Fbone]

The following authors died in 1944 and can be moved from the offline section to the main Library. Thanks.

Irving Cobb
Cutcliffe
Footner
Max Brand

cc:Harry

[HarryT]

Hi Fbone,

Yes, we have a complete list of "1944" books. We're working hard on a major library "relaunch" and will incorporate them then. More news soon!