Classic Nook hacked to run a browser and other Android Apps.

luqmaninbmore · 12-17-2009, 10:56 AM

From Engadget.

JoeFloyd · 12-17-2009, 12:36 PM

Just a few words of caution.

1) It costs B&N real money to transfer data to each nook over 3G from At&T.

2) If software can't be limited to using just the wifi connection, any hacked software added to the nook will end up costing B&N money in fees from AT&T

3) Web browser can use many megabytes of data visiting just a few sites

4) Pandora client streaming music to your nook will use many many of megabytes if you listen for more than a few minutes

It's not clear how B&N will react to nook hacking activities, but it's almost certain than any applications that increase 3G data usage will be frowned upon.

It's interesting to see what can be hacked to work on the nook, but using the 3G data service on B&N dime will certainly get their attention fast.

Kypt · 12-17-2009, 12:44 PM

I'm less interested in the internet side of the hacks and more on the "THEY'RE DOING IT!" part of the article. I can't wait to see what they come up with at this point.

wxiao · 12-17-2009, 12:57 PM

What is curious to me is that in the picture, the displayed webpage seems to be colored! Isn't the Nook E-ink screen only black and white?

afv011 · 12-17-2009, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeFloyd

Just a few words of caution.

1) It costs B&N real money to transfer data to each nook over 3G from At&T.

2) If software can't be limited to using just the wifi connection, any hacked software added to the nook will end up costing B&N money in fees from AT&T

3) Web browser can use many megabytes of data visiting just a few sites

4) Pandora client streaming music to your nook will use many many of megabytes if you listen for more than a few minutes

It's not clear how B&N will react to nook hacking activities, but it's almost certain than any applications that increase 3G data usage will be frowned upon.

It's interesting to see what can be hacked to work on the nook, but using the 3G data service on B&N dime will certainly get their attention fast.

The pictures show the nook running over WiFi, not 3G. I doubt B&N did not add some kind of security to prevent the nook from accessing anything other than their own servers over 3G.

At the end of the day, I think B&N should be pleased from this as it only creates more momentum for their device.

bleugh · 12-17-2009, 07:45 PM

I only wish I'd jumped on the first pre-order bandwagon straight away rather than procrastinate , jumping on the second........

This is the real reason I, in australia bought the nook :-)

stangri · 12-17-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wxiao

What is curious to me is that in the picture, the displayed webpage seems to be colored! Isn't the Nook E-ink screen only black and white?

No, the e-ink is greyscale only, the bottom part of the page (not fitting onto e-ink display) continues on the LCD and that is coloured.

But the scrolling on the e-ink isn't that bad actually, afaik (from irc chats) there's now an effort to build the browser with the proper UI for the nook, let's hope it leads somewhere.

PS. So far all homebrew on nook has access to WiFi only, not the 3g. And browsing is quick, I'd say about same speed as iPhone 3gs/IPT3 over WiFi.

jcar302 · 12-18-2009, 12:24 AM

I'll bet sooner or later someone gets the nook to run joikuspot on 3g, then BN is in serious trouble. It will be laptop tethering through wifi for free.

HarryT · 12-18-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jcar302

I'll bet sooner or later someone gets the nook to run joikuspot on 3g, then BN is in serious trouble. It will be laptop tethering through wifi for free.

I really hope that nobody is foolish enough to even attempt to do so. That would cost B&N real money, and would probably be a criminal act.

jasonkchapman · 12-18-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I really hope that nobody is foolish enough to even attempt to do so. That would cost B&N real money, and would probably be a criminal act.

Well, at least a violation of some paragraph in the TOS. My concern would be more that whatever B&N did to plug the hole would adversely affect everyone else with the device.

HarryT · 12-18-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonkchapman

Well, at least a violation of some paragraph in the TOS. My concern would be more that whatever B&N did to plug the hole would adversely affect everyone else with the device.

I don't know what the situation is in the US, but here in the UK you could probably be charged with "obtaining goods or services by deception", which is a crime that carries jail time. And, as you very rightly say, the response of B&N would almost certainly adversely affect every nook customer.

Nitrousoxide · 12-18-2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

I don't know what the situation is in the US, but here in the UK you could probably be charged with "obtaining goods or services by deception", which is a crime that carries jail time. And, as you very rightly say, the response of B&N would almost certainly adversely affect every nook customer.

What are the elements to "obtaining goods and services by deception?"

A quick look at the Theft Act of 1978 reveals these elements:

1) A deception by words or conduct as to a fact or law
2) The deception must be the reason the person obtained the goods or service (IE, the person wouldn't have gotten the stuff or services if the other party knew they were lying)
3) The defendant must have obtained the product or service
4) The product or service must not be gratuitus (IE, the victim must have provided the service or product expecting they would be paid for them)
5) The product or service must have been conveyed by some act and not conveyed merely by a failure to act.

Can you explain to me in particular why the second and fourth elements are met?

volwrath · 12-18-2009, 01:46 PM

I would tend ti think that AT&T/B&N would could limit the host site to B&N rather simply, making joikuspot a moot point

rdfry · 12-18-2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitrousoxide

What are the elements to "obtaining goods and services by deception?"

A quick look at the Theft Act of 1978 reveals these elements:

1) A deception by words or conduct as to a fact or law
2) The deception must be the reason the person obtained the goods or service (IE, the person wouldn't have gotten the stuff or services if the other party knew they were lying)
3) The defendant must have obtained the product or service
4) The product or service must not be gratuitus (IE, the victim must have provided the service or product expecting they would be paid for them)
5) The product or service must have been conveyed by some act and not conveyed merely by a failure to act.

Can you explain to me in particular why the second and fourth elements are met?

That is exactly why it is not a criminal act or theft of services. Barnes and Noble through AT&T are providing the service for free. The only thing they can do is cancel your service for violating the TOS.

HarryT · 12-18-2009, 02:17 PM

Is the service "free"? It's being paid for by B&N for the specific purpose of using the B&N bookstore, isn't it? If you use it for any other purpose, aren't you making unauthorised use of a service which is costing B&N real money? That surely constitutes obtaining a service by deception, don't you think? I'm no lawyer, so I may of course by wrong, but it certainly looks to me as though it "ought" to be a criminal act, given that such usage actually costs B&N money.

12-17-2009, 10:56 AM	#1
luqmaninbmore Da'i Posts: 1,144 Karma: 1217499 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Baltimore Device: Toshiba Thrive, Kobo Touch, Kindle 1, Aluratek Libre, T-Mobile Comet	Nook hacked to run a browser and other Android Apps. From Engadget.

12-17-2009, 12:57 PM	#4
wxiao Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: Sony Reader	color screen What is curious to me is that in the picture, the displayed webpage seems to be colored! Isn't the Nook E-ink screen only black and white?

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12-17-2009, 12:36 PM	#2
JoeFloyd Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 112 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: kindle	Just a few words of caution. 1) It costs B&N real money to transfer data to each nook over 3G from At&T. 2) If software can't be limited to using just the wifi connection, any hacked software added to the nook will end up costing B&N money in fees from AT&T 3) Web browser can use many megabytes of data visiting just a few sites 4) Pandora client streaming music to your nook will use many many of megabytes if you listen for more than a few minutes It's not clear how B&N will react to nook hacking activities, but it's almost certain than any applications that increase 3G data usage will be frowned upon. It's interesting to see what can be hacked to work on the nook, but using the 3G data service on B&N dime will certainly get their attention fast.

12-17-2009, 12:44 PM	#3
Kypt Connoisseur Posts: 63 Karma: 30 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: nook, Kindle 3	I'm less interested in the internet side of the hacks and more on the "THEY'RE DOING IT!" part of the article. I can't wait to see what they come up with at this point.

12-17-2009, 07:45 PM	#6
bleugh Enthusiast Posts: 29 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: nook	I only wish I'd jumped on the first pre-order bandwagon straight away rather than procrastinate , jumping on the second........ This is the real reason I, in australia bought the nook :-)

12-18-2009, 12:24 AM	#8
jcar302 Member Posts: 14 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NJ Device: Nook	I'll bet sooner or later someone gets the nook to run joikuspot on 3g, then BN is in serious trouble. It will be laptop tethering through wifi for free.

12-18-2009, 01:46 PM	#13
volwrath Guru Posts: 713 Karma: 1001739 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Device: SGS3/PW2/Nexus72	I would tend ti think that AT&T/B&N would could limit the host site to B&N rather simply, making joikuspot a moot point

12-18-2009, 02:17 PM	#15
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Is the service "free"? It's being paid for by B&N for the specific purpose of using the B&N bookstore, isn't it? If you use it for any other purpose, aren't you making unauthorised use of a service which is costing B&N real money? That surely constitutes obtaining a service by deception, don't you think? I'm no lawyer, so I may of course by wrong, but it certainly looks to me as though it "ought" to be a criminal act, given that such usage actually costs B&N money.

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