More wood on the fire...

[guyanonymous]

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat...del_151128.asp

In an email to agents this evening, Hachette Book Group USA CEO David Young announced a shift to an agency model for eBook pricing.

[guyanonymous]

In related news, torrent sites, usenet, and irc see a surge in users.

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by guyanonymous

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat...del_151128.asp

In an email to agents this evening, Hachette Book Group USA CEO David Young announced a shift to an agency model for eBook pricing.

So it's all right for the big publishers to steal from the ebook customers?

What saddens me is that the only people that will be hurt by their actions are the authors as more and more once-upon-a-time customers make the switch to the darknet and ebook piracy.

Derek

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

So it's all right for the big publishers to steal from the ebook customers?

What saddens me is that the only people that will be hurt by their actions are the authors as more and more once-upon-a-time customers make the switch to the darknet and ebook piracy.

Derek

How is setting a price for a product stealing? that's frankly ridiculous.

[charleski]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

So it's all right for the big publishers to steal from the ebook customers?

Don't be ridiculous.

Right now, my most desperate hope is that publishers are not keeping an eye on Mobileread. Because if I were a publisher looking at this forum I'd be sorely tempted to walk away from the tiny ebook market in disgust.

If anyone from the industry is reading this forum, I can only hope they take it with a huge pinch of salt and realise that people who read ebooks are not in fact a bunch of self-opinionated cheapskates with entitlement issues who will use the slightest excuse to justify pirating authors' work.

[Bremen Cole]

charleski "If anyone from the industry is reading this forum, I can only hope they take it with a huge pinch of salt and realise that people who read ebooks are not in fact a bunch of self-opinionated cheapskates with entitlement issues who will use the slightest excuse to justify pirating authors' work."

You are a corporations dream come true, and I do realize that most are like you. I am of course their worst nightmare as I am as you call "self-opinionated". Yes, a pesky individual....... why can't they all just obey the corporate state? The cattle must be kept in line!!!

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by guyanonymous

In related news, torrent sites, usenet, and irc see a surge in users.

What evidence do you have for that?

[Connallmac]

Originally Posted by Bremen Cole

charleski "If anyone from the industry is reading this forum, I can only hope they take it with a huge pinch of salt and realise that people who read ebooks are not in fact a bunch of self-opinionated cheapskates with entitlement issues who will use the slightest excuse to justify pirating authors' work."

You are a corporations dream come true, and I do realize that most are like you. I am of course their worst nightmare as I am as you call "self-opinionated". Yes, a pesky individual....... why can't they all just obey the corporate state? The cattle must be kept in line!!!

Well played sir, karma to you!

[Guns4Hire]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

So it's all right for the big publishers to steal from the ebook customers?

What saddens me is that the only people that will be hurt by their actions are the authors as more and more once-upon-a-time customers make the switch to the darknet and ebook piracy.

Derek

Well don't take advantage of your customers in the first place then and they won't take advantage of you.

There is a reason Baen and other authors who have embraced the digital world are doing so well and why their books aren't overloaded on the torrent sites.

[Bremen Cole]

Originally Posted by Guns4Hire

Well don't take advantage of your customers in the first place then and they won't take advantage of you.

There is a reason Baen and other authors who have embraced the digital world are doing so well and why their books aren't overloaded on the torrent sites.

Unfortunately I saw a whole catalog of Baen books on torrent in one download file . If I could have I would have taken them out of there..... there is no good reason for their products to be on torrents, and I urge everyone to not punish the good with the bad!

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by Guns4Hire

Well don't take advantage of your customers in the first place then and they won't take advantage of you.

There is a reason Baen and other authors who have embraced the digital world are doing so well and why their books aren't overloaded on the torrent sites.

Do you have some evidence to show that baens policy is helping them do better than oooh say Macmillans policy?

if you do then great unfortunately I doubt it's the case.

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by Bremen Cole

Unfortunately I saw a whole catalog of Baen books on torrent in one download file . If I could have I would have taken them out of there..... there is no good reason for their products to be on torrents, and I urge everyone to not punish the good with the bad!

But to be devild advocate for a second all baen are doing is selling less popular products cheaper. and with no drm to try and differentiate them in a market where they sell a 'on paper' anyway a less valuable product.

Why should Baen charge anymore than a couple of Dollars for an Ebook?? after all there are no printing or advertising or storage costs etc, surely $2 would be more reasonable.

[Bremen Cole]

Originally Posted by stustaff

But to be devild advocate for a second all baen are doing is selling less popular products cheaper. and with no drm to try and differentiate them in a market where they sell a 'on paper' anyway a less valuable product.

Why should Baen charge anymore than a couple of Dollars for an Ebook?? after all there are no printing or advertising or storage costs etc, surely $2 would be more reasonable.

If you are being a devils advocate, then the devil needs to take a few ethics, business and economics classes.

[stustaff]

Originally Posted by Bremen Cole

If you are being a devils advocate, then the devil needs to take a few ethics, business and economics classes.

Too busy fiddling

[dsvick]

Originally Posted by stustaff

Do you have some evidence to show that baens policy is helping them do better than oooh say Macmillans policy?

if you do then great unfortunately I doubt it's the case.

I for one would love to know if this is really the case, is Baen's combination of the free library and webscriptions actually successful? Everyone keeps pointing to them as the bright shining light of how things should be done, but is it really a vialbe model for more than the admittedly niche market Baen is in?

Personally, I fall right into there market, so whether it is successful or not I hope they keep it up.