01-27-2015, 10:25 AM | #1 |
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For the 2016 categories, as a 1st step, can we....
For the 2016 categories, as a 1st step, can we agree to leave January intact and go from there? I'm kind of itchin' to see some changes from the past few years, but January's "runner-up/no nominations" category has always been one that's served us well.
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01-27-2015, 10:29 AM | #2 |
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It means that people don't have to nominate during a very busy time of year for many.
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01-27-2015, 11:10 AM | #3 |
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I am all for that.
I think the voting for January could also start at the same time as a normal vote would - January 1st (+/- to account for that being a holiday) rather than Dec 20th. That way the vote is closer to when a normal vote would be. |
01-27-2015, 11:15 AM | #4 |
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I think that's an excellent suggestion.
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01-27-2015, 01:40 PM | #5 |
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I like the suggestion, Tom. Besides the obvious reason of it being a busy time of year, I like the variety it always brings for a month and I like that we have at least one category that has remained unchanged in the same month since I started here so many years ago; in a small way it gives a feeling of tradition that I like while still allowing for big changes in other months should we want them.
It's interesting that you are so for this yearly category and yet so against a similar idea in the other club for only once every few years. If I remember correctly, didn't you just recently call the idea "retread" and give a lengthy argument on why you don't like idea of a second-chance category? What makes your opinion change so must be because of the particular timing of the category for this club or something similarly explanatory, but if I didn't know better it would feel a lot like you just want to give me a hard time. |
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01-27-2015, 01:42 PM | #6 |
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Agreed on Second Chance. I'm not fussy about when the vote should be. More consistent with other months makes sense, but whatever works for the manager is better in my opinion.
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01-27-2015, 03:09 PM | #7 | |
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That could work. Since people are normally expecting a nomination thread on the 20th, I could substitute a thread that explains what the choices will be when the poll does post and then go ahead on the 1st and post the actual poll. |
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01-27-2015, 04:17 PM | #8 | |
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I certainly didn't want to add to your work with that suggestion, just trying to add some accessibility during a very busy time of year. Really whatever you prefer will work. |
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01-27-2015, 05:18 PM | #9 |
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That would be December, not January. I do think that second chance/runner up would be best in December because of how busy the month can be. January is not nearly as busy a minth as December.
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Right now December is also the "short story" month because we recognized that it is hard to find time in December and wanted some easier (or at least shorter) books to read during the busy month. |
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That might be even better. Many people take vacations around that time of year, so having, say, a ten-day or two week window for voting might work out well. |
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02-04-2015, 02:52 PM | #12 | |
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I'm moving this discussion from the nominations area. I am totally off topic for there now.
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It's okay to me to not vote when you won't read. In fact I think that is more fair to those that are voting that month. I nominate, second and vote for things I really want to read in categories I am interested in. I will read the occasional other selection I didn't vote for. My participation has been spotty at best the last couple of years. I had buried myself a little too far in personal reading challenges to participate much. I've toned that down and am participating more this year. I might read the Wharton selection if it wins, but I didn't vote for it. There is so much to read out there that I am a little disappointed when the club revisits the same authors and subjects too frequently. I don't gauge participation much on the discussion, but on the voting. The drop in voting disturbs me as it means that books people want to read aren't getting nominated for some reason. We seem to be getting a good number of nominations still so I don't see anything worrisome yet on that front, although December with only 4 options and this month with only 9 options might be a trend. We'll see how Classics goes in April as it usually fares well despite my personal vendetta against it. Last edited by HomeInMyShoes; 02-04-2015 at 03:38 PM. |
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02-04-2015, 03:37 PM | #13 |
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Here's a six-month running average for voters in the bookclub.
51 second month, first month was a non-voting month 49.5 January 2009 45.25 March 42.2 May 48.8 July 65.6 Sep 80 Nov 82.2 January 2010 88.6 Mar 93 May 85.8 Jul 90.4 Sep 95.6 November 2010 92.4 January 2011 87.6 Mar 80 May 71.4 Jul 73.6 Sep 67.8 Nov 72.4 January 2012 63.6 Mar 53.6 May 48.6 Jul 51.0 Sep 46.4 Nov 48.0 January 2013 49.6 Mar 45.0 May 41.4 Jul 45.4 Sep 43.0 Nov 36.8 January 2014 30.6 Mar 27.8 May 31.8 Jul 34 Sep 27.8 Nov 27.6 January 2015 I was thinking originally that the drop had something to do with changes to categories, but looking more closely, the drop was across all categories and from February 2011 on. Categories weren't changed in 2011, they were in 2010, but voting was still high. The graph follows what I would expect to a point. A brief increase in participation and then a dip to a leveling off point. Except the leveling off is just continuing as a downward trend. So where are all the participants going? |
02-04-2015, 03:39 PM | #14 |
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Classics is weird to me because I don't particularly care for the category but I normally do vote since some interesting books get nominated. So I am not sure that voting participation is a great method for judging popularity in this case.
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02-04-2015, 03:39 PM | #15 |
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I'll throw out this theory.
Have we annoyed people with the nomination process where early books get in and we cap the poll at ten and since the main participants tend to nominate early, later nominations are left by the wayside and voting interest drops as a result? What if we went down the path of one nomination, but more seconds and thirds for everyone to give later books a better chance and a better voice for nominations from more people? |
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