Classic Nook Sharing Site?

Heatmizuh · 10-23-2009, 06:33 PM

Hi All -- I pre-ordered my Nook, although I am now a little concerned about the 'Once Only' sharing feature -- which really irritates me, although I can understand it from the writers point of view.

Anyway, I ran across this site:

http://www.swapnook.com

that looks like it might facilitate lending. Not really sure, but I signed up anyway.

Has anyone heard if B&N will offer 'lend matching' or other sites that will do something similar?

Thanks!

Heat

kezza · 10-23-2009, 10:58 PM

Interesting idea, thanks for the link! I signed up, I suppose its usefulness is directly proportional to the number of people who sign up. I wonder how it will work. Will users request titles or offer them? Or both?

desertgrandma · 10-23-2009, 11:02 PM

I would certainly not give my email address to a site so barren of information.

I'm a little concerned there is no information on who runs this site, what the rules will be, or anything else for that matter.

Heatmizuh, do you know anything else about it?

DaleDe · 10-24-2009, 02:11 AM

It seems that it doesn't make any difference how restrictive the rules are there is someone out to figure out a way to break them and get something for nothing. And the product hasn't even shipped yet.

Dale

coolbreeze · 10-26-2009, 12:16 PM

Lol, I had this idea also. In fact, I probably registered my sites before this guy did. Clearly I've been beaten to the punch as far as setting up the site.

Oh well. After hearing you can only lend a book once, this "swap website" idea is really a waste of time (and money).

Here is my post:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=250

jasonkchapman · 10-26-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

It seems that it doesn't make any difference how restrictive the rules are there is someone out to figure out a way to break them and get something for nothing. And the product hasn't even shipped yet.

I guess that's why the publishers insisted on limiting the lending function.

zelda_pinwheel · 10-26-2009, 08:06 PM

hm, interesting. it sounds like those (paper)bookswapping clubs, for ebooks. "ebook-crossing" ? but without the random adventure and seredipity, since the books can only be lent once.

Elfwreck · 10-26-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

It seems that it doesn't make any difference how restrictive the rules are there is someone out to figure out a way to break them and get something for nothing. And the product hasn't even shipped yet.

Dale

What rule-breaking are you talking about? The Nook allows you to lend your ebooks. It doesn't say you have to lend them to personal friends or family members. If you can only lend them once, that's a good reason to put together a website where people can requests books to borrow, and others can offer to loan them.

DaleDe · 10-26-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Elfwreck

What rule-breaking are you talking about? The Nook allows you to lend your ebooks. It doesn't say you have to lend them to personal friends or family members. If you can only lend them once, that's a good reason to put together a website where people can requests books to borrow, and others can offer to loan them.

Technically you are correct. No actual rule is broken. But the intent was to share with a friend an occasional book that you found interesting, however the intent of the site is to try to get something for free and get every possible book the user is will to provide. I guess you don't see any difference. It is like a guy that used to work for me that every year used exactly every sick day, year after year. One year he actually got sick and there were no sick days left and he was very upset that he didn't get paid when he was sick. Pushing the boundaries is trying to take advantage of a good thing.

Dale

Elfwreck · 10-27-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

Technically you are correct. No actual rule is broken. But the intent was to share with a friend an occasional book that you found interesting, however the intent of the site is to try to get something for free and get every possible book the user is will to provide. I guess you don't see any difference.

I don't care what the seller's "intent" is, when I buy something. It doesn't come with a usage contract that says "you must read books the way we want them to be read." I don't buy books with an understanding that I'll be the only person reading them.

If I buy a car, it's not the seller's choice whether I drive it on city streets, for long freeway travel, or on closed race-courses that will burn out the clutch in a couple of months. If it's properly insured, I can share it with a pool of friends; we can arrange it so whoever needs a car can pick it up at a pre-established location and drive off with it. It doesn't matter what Ford or Toyota thinks it's supposed to be used for.

If I buy a set of crockery, the store doesn't get to tell me whether I shall cook with them in the oven, or the microwave, or smash them into pieces for an art project.

"Intent" is for personal relationships. For gifts among friends; sometimes, for sales among friends. If I buy my friend's pottery, she'll rightfully be very upset if I smash it for art projects.

I don't have a personal friendship with Barnes & Noble, and they have no legal or moral right to tell me how to use their products. I'm fairly sure they don't have a legal right to restrict loaning to one time, or a certain number of days. They don't have a legal obligation to provide more than that--but they don't have the right to restrict further loaning, if someone figures out how to do it.

jasonkchapman · 10-27-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Elfwreck

but they don't have the right to restrict further loaning, if someone figures out how to do it.

That part's easy. Just ship your Nook off to the borrower. No time limit. No fuss. Well, maybe a little fuss.

kezza · 10-27-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonkchapman

That part's easy. Just ship your Nook off to the borrower. No time limit. No fuss. Well, maybe a little fuss.

See, that's not totally as crazy as it sounds. There are definitely times when I wish I could loan not just an ebook but the whole reader to someone who I think would appreciate the technology. It almost makes me want a spare reader just for this purpose, to loan books out.
I wonder if single accounts will work on multiple nooks. You can use the same account on multiple devices for B&N already, a computer and an iphone, for example, and they'll all sync up your bookmarks, etc.

But this *is* getting a little off topic. It should be noted that the LendMe stuff works across multiple device types, not just nook-to-nook. The lending site will work for those using B&N software on computers, iPhones, PDAs . . .

binkman71 · 10-27-2009, 07:24 PM

Elfwreck:

Apple has been getting away with this for years. If you ever read one of their software license agreements, they state how, when, where, etc. it is allowed for you to use the product. For example, it is considered a breach of that contract if you attempt to install a legally purchased copy of Mac OS X on a non-Apple computer.

I'm not saying it is right or I agree with it, just that companies do it and get away with it.

K.

Elfwreck · 10-27-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by binkman71

Elfwreck:
Apple has been getting away with this for years. If you ever read one of their software license agreements, they state how, when, where, etc. it is allowed for you to use the product.

And calling it a "license" when it's actually a "sale" makes that contract void. And it's been ruled in court that, if they're not expecting to have it returned, it was sold, not licensed, regardless of the phrasing on the packaging.

"30 day free trial and then it stops working" has a license.
"Pay your $49.99 and you can use it forever (unless you do something we don't like, in which case we demand the right to remove it)" is a sale, and the parenthetical part has no legal force behind it.

Libraries license ebooks; they come with expiration dates. Fictionwise, Sony, Amazon, BoB sell ebooks... and they don't have the right to insist on one-reader-per-purchase.

Heatmizuh · 10-28-2009, 09:03 PM

I would think before too long, somebody (Apple maybe?) will come along with something more 'lend friendly'. If the Lend Once thing is actually true then I am totally returning my Nook.

And you're right, those swapping sites would be more or less useless until some company lets us trade our books out freely -- or at least a better policy than only once.

Heat

10-23-2009, 06:33 PM	#1
Heatmizuh Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: None	Nook Sharing Site? Hi All -- I pre-ordered my Nook, although I am now a little concerned about the 'Once Only' sharing feature -- which really irritates me, although I can understand it from the writers point of view. Anyway, I ran across this site: http://www.swapnook.com that looks like it might facilitate lending. Not really sure, but I signed up anyway. Has anyone heard if B&N will offer 'lend matching' or other sites that will do something similar? Thanks! Heat

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10-23-2009, 10:58 PM	#2
kezza Lowlife of the Party Posts: 266 Karma: 4038 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: seattle Device: nook, iphone	Interesting idea, thanks for the link! I signed up, I suppose its usefulness is directly proportional to the number of people who sign up. I wonder how it will work. Will users request titles or offer them? Or both?

10-23-2009, 11:02 PM	#3
desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	I would certainly not give my email address to a site so barren of information. I'm a little concerned there is no information on who runs this site, what the rules will be, or anything else for that matter. Heatmizuh, do you know anything else about it?

10-24-2009, 02:11 AM	#4
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	It seems that it doesn't make any difference how restrictive the rules are there is someone out to figure out a way to break them and get something for nothing. And the product hasn't even shipped yet. Dale

10-26-2009, 12:16 PM	#5
coolbreeze Addict Posts: 214 Karma: 2600 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Nook Color, White 3G K3	Lol, I had this idea also. In fact, I probably registered my sites before this guy did. Clearly I've been beaten to the punch as far as setting up the site. Oh well. After hearing you can only lend a book once, this "swap website" idea is really a waste of time (and money). Here is my post: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=250

10-26-2009, 08:06 PM	#7
zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	hm, interesting. it sounds like those (paper)bookswapping clubs, for ebooks. "ebook-crossing" ? but without the random adventure and seredipity, since the books can only be lent once.

10-27-2009, 07:24 PM	#13
binkman71 Enthusiast Posts: 35 Karma: 328 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Outside Philadelphia, PA, USA Device: Sony PRS-505; nook	Elfwreck: Apple has been getting away with this for years. If you ever read one of their software license agreements, they state how, when, where, etc. it is allowed for you to use the product. For example, it is considered a breach of that contract if you attempt to install a legally purchased copy of Mac OS X on a non-Apple computer. I'm not saying it is right or I agree with it, just that companies do it and get away with it. K.

10-28-2009, 09:03 PM	#15
Heatmizuh Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: None	I would think before too long, somebody (Apple maybe?) will come along with something more 'lend friendly'. If the Lend Once thing is actually true then I am totally returning my Nook. And you're right, those swapping sites would be more or less useless until some company lets us trade our books out freely -- or at least a better policy than only once. Heat

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