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09-09-2013, 02:59 PM | #122 |
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09-10-2013, 11:56 PM | #125 | |
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09-11-2013, 01:31 AM | #126 |
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But that's just the issue at stake here. In many jurisdictions, including the one in the Netherlands where BREIN is situated, the downloader actually has the right to take that 'something'. According to the existing (modern!) laws, they are acting fully legal.
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09-11-2013, 02:08 AM | #127 |
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If it is legal, then why are people worried? That means BREIN can't touch them. Besides, those surcharges on media, do authors, publishers get a cut of those proceeds? If so, how much? That whole scheme is just giving more power to politicians who get more money to distribute. And those who don't copy anything are paying for those who do.
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09-11-2013, 06:24 AM | #129 | |
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What people are worried about is that BREIN together with the company that provides the watermarks for ebooks have decided that the contracts that the ebook sellers sign have to stipulate that the ebook sellers have to provide BREIN with information on the customers who bought the ebooks with the watermarks that are found on the web, since uploading is illegal. This way ebook sellers are forced to give information on their customers to a third party because the majority of Dutch books have watermarks so they can't refuse to sign the contract. If you read the OP you will see that there is a discussion within the Dutch legal system on whether having the ebook sellers submit personal data on customers to third parties is legal or illegal. What the readers are worried about is that simply finding a watermarked book on the web doesn't mean that it was uploaded by the one who bought it because someone could have made copies of the book without them knowing it. |
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09-11-2013, 06:54 AM | #130 |
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09-11-2013, 07:21 AM | #131 |
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09-11-2013, 08:19 AM | #132 |
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No. Books have the low tariff, ebooks the high.
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09-11-2013, 08:34 AM | #133 |
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09-11-2013, 08:42 AM | #135 |
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BREIN has a long history of questionable tactics. I personally wouldn't want to have any business with them, and I also wouldn't want them to get my private information for whatever reason. If there is a problem, the proper local authorities should get involved - not some private, industry-backed group who seems to fancy itself as some sort of law enforcement adjunct.
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