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09-16-2010, 11:39 AM | #122 |
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I have read 5 different translations of the Qur'an; the freely available here that has the three translations side by side, the Maulana Muhammad Ali translation, and the Rodwell translation. The Rodwell translation is bad, the Yusuf Ali translation is the one most recommended my Muslims that I know and is the one I found easy to read. To me it reads like an instruction manual, I don't understand all the claims about its poetic nature, I just don't see it in the English translations. I collect the "holy texts" from all the major religions, I think they are an important part of any well rounded education in that they help you understand what influences other peoples thought.
The Qur'an is like the Bible; its one of the most read books, yet the least examined. My belief about religion is Agnostic or Athiest, call it what you will I do not "believe". I have collected very beautiful leather bound editions of the Tanakh, the Qur'an, and the Septuagint, as well as many various english translations of the bible. Actually reading these texts and examining them for many years is what led to my agnostic or atheist belief. Most Atheist I know say it was actually reading the Bible that led them to their decision also. So, I actually recomend people read and examine them, ignorance about whats in them is the cause of most of the irrational fears about them. Regardless if you believe them or not, they are important texts from a historical perspective that have influenced the behavior of millions over the centuries. |
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09-16-2010, 11:46 AM | #123 |
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Well yes, as I said I am not trying to hide what I am reading (or just carry around). I find it a bit troubling that you would feel this is necessary, since presumably you live in a democracy, like me, but it's up to you. As I said, you'll be safest simply not putting it on any of your devices if that's how you feel.
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09-16-2010, 11:35 PM | #124 | |
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Also..."islamic fundamentalist" is the worst label for a terrorist ever. Committing atrocities is not fundamental to any mainstream religion. They should simply be called terrorists. If Islam was about terrorism, then why weren't muslims historically terrorist? Why did it take over 1000 years for that "fundamental" to crop up? Religion isn't the problem or the cause of terrorism, politics and socio-economic problems are. As for deleting the Koran? I might, but probably not...unless I was honest to goodness running out of space, but how often is that an issue these days? I generally keep all the books I find, even ones that I doubt I'll ever read. I'm a bad enough packrat in the physical world....I'm a like a packtyrannosaurus rex in the digital world! (not sure how that one works...maybe t-rexes pack things in their bellies?) |
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09-17-2010, 09:18 AM | #125 |
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I would not have a problem deleting the Koran. But it would only be if I fould a better english translation. Right now I have the Asad translation.
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09-17-2010, 09:31 AM | #126 | |
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09-17-2010, 09:37 AM | #127 |
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09-17-2010, 04:16 PM | #128 |
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Well I don't have a problem with deleting a copy of anything from my liseuse. But I'd *never* want to get into book-burning - that's a deliberately inflammatory (sorry!) message, designed to give offence - in my book that's bad manners.
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09-17-2010, 06:07 PM | #129 |
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The idiot pastor in the US appeared to be just wanting to get himself noticed but I'm unsure what the purpose of this discussion is for. Personally I wouldn't give a moments thought to deleting a bible or a qur'an but then the chances of me having either on my device is minimal. I do find it fascinating that people in seemingly educated countries still believe in such things let alone quarrel regards who's fiction is the more accurate.
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09-17-2010, 07:01 PM | #131 |
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i would delete it if i read it - or at least started it - and was sure i wouldn't want to read it again. i didn't vote yes or no since i would only delete it if it didn't interest me.
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09-17-2010, 11:02 PM | #133 | |
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Deleting YOUR copy vs. EVERYONE'S copy is quite different.
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In terms of deleting the Koran -- or any book, even the Bible -- I don't have a problem with deleting it if it's my own copy. It's my copy, it's my decision. I'm not censoring anyone else, nor limiting their access to the book. (I would even go so far as saying burning my own copy is similarly okay, though I wouldn't do that purely by virtue of the Nazi-era imagery associated with book burning.) However, if I decided to delete YOUR copy, or began purchasing/confiscating copies with the express intent of destroying them so nobody else could read them, that would be a wholly different beast. It would be wrong because I am censoring ideas and thought, and I am attempting to effect you through taking your freedom of choice away. As much as people call Christians closed-minded, the Bible talks a lot about making a informed decision whether or not to follow God. Christ's first call to the disciples was, "come and see [and decide for yourselves]." So deleting books that are not your own in such a way is wrong. One other caveat is this. If I were to delete/burn my own copy, but do so with the express intent to be cruel and disrespectful ("Look at me! I'm burning YOUR sacred book, you religious fool!"), that would also be wrong. The Nazi book burnings had this aspect as well: censor thought, but do so publicly in order to humiliate and influence others. So this really isn't an easy yes/no question. -Pie |
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09-18-2010, 01:09 AM | #134 | |
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I read this far before someone actually said what I was thinking. This is truly silly question.
If I write something from it on my chalkboard, may I not run an eraser across it? How about a steamed mirror? How about if I think about a passage -- am I not allowed to forget it? Quote:
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09-18-2010, 01:53 AM | #135 |
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I don't understand the question. Does it mean to ask if, once I had a copy of it on my reader, I would feel obliged to keep it there forever? Than no.
It's just a book. You can show reverence for the spirit of its contents, but to misplace that reverence onto the physical words themselves, or the paper they're printed on, seems to me to be missing the whole point of "scripture". |
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