For women only... what eBooks? - Page 8

Robertb · 03-09-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonSays

Thank you! Looking forward to seeing the new site

Dear All:

Every morning I check and every morning we are a little closer. Trying to do a new store is SO hard. The hard part is doing both the back end and front end at once. Every time you click a button that backend comes into play. We are getting close. What takes time is setting up 200,000 pay eBooks by category. We have ten categories we finally went with. Trying to decide if a book is action/adventure or mystery/crime is not so easy. Getting everything right can drive you nuts.

Plus, we are hiring a part time person to do reviews and answer problems and correspond with book lovers. This person will be a college student who lives for books and wants to learn the industry from the inside out. You cannot begin to imagine what comes up when you do this.

Anyway, my best guess is the cut-in date will be March 15. This will be a Soft Run meaning only MobileRead Forum for the first two weeks. Everything will work... we are just looking for feedback and taking recommendations and selling!

Davimee · 03-09-2010, 09:37 PM

Thanks for keeping us updated! March 15 must be a great day for ebooks... that's the day my local library will start offering ebook checkouts with Overdrive! I can hardly wait!

jusmee · 03-09-2010, 09:42 PM

With regard to categories, I am surprised the industry does not include that as metadata in each book.

theducks · 03-09-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jusmee

With regard to categories, I am surprised the industry does not include that as metadata in each book.

Even Baen can't be consistent with the Publisher name

Baen
Baen Pub Ent
Baen Books

Amazon is worse. Meta data is a smörgåsbord

I spent more time cleaning and trimming tags within Calibre than any other operation.

Laura81 · 03-09-2010, 11:04 PM

Thanks for letting us know the start up date. Can't wait!

jusmee · 03-09-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by theducks

Even Baen can't be consistent with the Publisher name

Baen
Baen Pub Ent
Baen Books

Amazon is worse. Meta data is a smörgåsbord

I spent more time cleaning and trimming tags within Calibre than any other operation.

why didn't I expect that !

Terisa de morgan · 03-10-2010, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jusmee

why didn't I expect that !

Naïve?

About metadata, it happens the same to me. Nobody puts description, subject doesn't exist...

QIbHom · 03-10-2010, 05:28 AM

RobertB, I had several classes in library school on how to tell what genre a book was in, and it boils down to "put stuff where your patron will find it." Sounds simple, but it isn't. But, if you can be consistent, no matter what you do, it'll help. If you always put David Weber in Fantasy, I'll find him, even though some of his series are (arguably) SciFi.

Metadata is a mess because anyone can play, and everyone will categorize things slightly (at least) differently, if they bother (and most won't). In library terms, without a controlled vocabulary, you end up with a dog's breakfast. Unfortunately, with controlled vocabulary, people complain it is hard (I don't think it is, but I had Dewey Decimal System figured out by the time I was 4).

I get amused by Internet folks trying to reinvent library cataloging practises. Haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to give up Library of Congress subject headings (as flawed as they are) and a good old fashioned classification system, like Dewey or even LC.

And did you remember that 15 March is the Ides of March?

Terisa de morgan · 03-10-2010, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by QIbHom

I get amused by Internet folks trying to reinvent library cataloging practises. Haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to give up Library of Congress subject headings (as flawed as they are) and a good old fashioned classification system, like Dewey or even LC.

If publishers go with it (and put it into their books), OK for me.

QIbHom · 03-10-2010, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

If publishers go with it (and put it into their books), OK for me.

Check the verso page. The cataloging data is there. LC subject headings, LC and DDC (Dewey) call numbers, all that stuff. Of course, some publishers are more complete than others and old books won't have them. What can you expect from the people who brought us the ISBN (International Standard Book Number), which is neither international nor standard (nor unique to each title).

Terisa de morgan · 03-10-2010, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by QIbHom

Check the verso page. The cataloging data is there. LC subject headings, LC and DDC (Dewey) call numbers, all that stuff. Of course, some publishers are more complete than others and old books won't have them. What can you expect from the people who brought us the ISBN (International Standard Book Number), which is neither international nor standard (nor unique to each title).

I can know all the cataloging data, that's OK. But if I HAVE TO INCLUDE IT in the metadata, and the publishers don't give it to me (Usually they don't, I can say you, and I don't talk about old books), it doesn't solve my problem.

theducks · 03-10-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by QIbHom

RobertB, I had several classes in library school on how to tell what genre a book was in, and it boils down to "put stuff where your patron will find it." Sounds simple, but it isn't. But, if you can be consistent, no matter what you do, it'll help.

If you always put David Weber in Fantasy, I'll find him, even though some of his series are (arguably) SciFi.

Don't bother Splitting SF and Fantasy.
The line between has been smudged forever.

And Weber is SF. Honkin' Big Ray Guns and Space Ships

QIbHom · 03-10-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

I can know all the cataloging data, that's OK. But if I HAVE TO INCLUDE IT in the metadata, and the publishers don't give it to me (Usually they don't, I can say you, and I don't talk about old books), it doesn't solve my problem.

Agreed. This is a major pain for libraries, too. There are ways to add the metadata and places to get it (even for free), but it is still a pain.

theducks, what about Weber's Hradani trilogy? Some of the stuff he's written with Flint? Granted, the Honorverse books are mostly SF, but empathic cats?

theducks · 03-10-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by QIbHom

Agreed. This is a major pain for libraries, too. There are ways to add the metadata and places to get it (even for free), but it is still a pain.

theducks, what about Weber's Hradani trilogy? Some of the stuff he's written with Flint? Granted, the Honorverse books are mostly SF, but empathic cats?

Yea! Bahzel.

As I said, The line is smudged. Pern, Telz Amberdon.

And Cats are empathetic. Mine is saying, "quit pokin' those keys and feed me"

QIbHom · 03-10-2010, 02:23 PM

Bahzel rocks! I wish he'd do more Hradani books. They are fun.

I'm not sure the line was ever really there, besides as "SF=real (i.e., stuff I like), fantasy=bad" kind of thing. The only thing worse than an "is it SF or fantasy" pissing contest is two library staff who read those genres (oddly, we seem to tend towards liking mysteries and looking down on SF readers) having the same argument.

My cats hate all electronic devices, except those that provide a warm surface to sleep on.

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03-09-2010, 09:37 PM	#107
Davimee Happy Wife & Momma Posts: 532 Karma: 1634 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Device: Purple Astak Pocket Pro! :)	Thanks for keeping us updated! March 15 must be a great day for ebooks... that's the day my local library will start offering ebook checkouts with Overdrive! I can hardly wait!

03-09-2010, 09:42 PM	#108
jusmee Wizard Posts: 1,047 Karma: 203682 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Libre 2	With regard to categories, I am surprised the industry does not include that as metadata in each book.

03-09-2010, 11:04 PM	#110
Laura81 Addict Posts: 360 Karma: 407796 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Victoria, Australia Device: Paperwhite 5	Thanks for letting us know the start up date. Can't wait!

03-10-2010, 05:28 AM	#113
QIbHom Connoisseur Posts: 68 Karma: 102 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: Aztak EZReader Pocket Pro	RobertB, I had several classes in library school on how to tell what genre a book was in, and it boils down to "put stuff where your patron will find it." Sounds simple, but it isn't. But, if you can be consistent, no matter what you do, it'll help. If you always put David Weber in Fantasy, I'll find him, even though some of his series are (arguably) SciFi. Metadata is a mess because anyone can play, and everyone will categorize things slightly (at least) differently, if they bother (and most won't). In library terms, without a controlled vocabulary, you end up with a dog's breakfast. Unfortunately, with controlled vocabulary, people complain it is hard (I don't think it is, but I had Dewey Decimal System figured out by the time I was 4). I get amused by Internet folks trying to reinvent library cataloging practises. Haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to give up Library of Congress subject headings (as flawed as they are) and a good old fashioned classification system, like Dewey or even LC. And did you remember that 15 March is the Ides of March?

03-10-2010, 02:23 PM	#120
QIbHom Connoisseur Posts: 68 Karma: 102 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: Aztak EZReader Pocket Pro	Bahzel rocks! I wish he'd do more Hradani books. They are fun. I'm not sure the line was ever really there, besides as "SF=real (i.e., stuff I like), fantasy=bad" kind of thing. The only thing worse than an "is it SF or fantasy" pissing contest is two library staff who read those genres (oddly, we seem to tend towards liking mysteries and looking down on SF readers) having the same argument. My cats hate all electronic devices, except those that provide a warm surface to sleep on.

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