09-02-2013, 10:04 PM | #106 | |
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And often there is identifying information on other stuff. Films released for review or preshowings often have a number referring to the theatre it was sent to. But how in the world do you think that is relevant I must ask. It is like a little kid who is being punished saying but my sister did it too, you just didn't see her. Doesn't make it right. Helen |
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09-02-2013, 10:28 PM | #107 | |
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Ebook piracy becoming legal or even regarded by most as okay would not affect me much or those of my generation. Us baby boomers have made our decisions in this matter and say it is legal or illegal is not likely to change our ethics or our habits. We either do it now or we don't. The world would suffer IMO opinion, not from the lack of bestsellers, but from the lack of rewards for achievement, much as you said in the boss story. Many writers are high achievers in other areas. I often am told I should write a book, and of course I could write a book, good or bad, but I am too lazy to even try. Lots of things I could do if I actually tried, maybe successfully, maybe not. Sadly I will never know because I seem to lack the jam to try. Authors are generally people who put their time and energy and even their egos on the line. Many are successful at lucrative and influential careers and have to put in extra time in an already crowded life to even write a book. And of course if the book is a flop they risk being branded a failure and ridiculed by their peers. Many authors I admire have accomplished pretty substantial things in other fields. Many have contributed in some way to the betterment of society with no financial incentive. A lot more than me or most people I know. Take away the financial incentive to write even if they don't actually need the money might take away the desire to do anything that would benefit the people who are treating them badly. Not a pretty picture. Helen |
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09-02-2013, 10:44 PM | #108 | |
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So I doubt anyone would say a country itself was illegal because downloading pirated content was not illegal, and I live in such a country. I certainly can't say because their are no laws against something it is the right thing to do. Slavery was legal once after all, and it was once perfectly legal for a man to beat his wife or his servants in jurisdictions where it was illegal for him to beat his dog. Helen Last edited by speakingtohe; 09-02-2013 at 10:49 PM. |
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09-02-2013, 11:53 PM | #109 | |
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* Right to make copies of purchased digital product, right to re-sell what was purchased, right to return it if a digital product is inferior and doesn't meet the buyer's expectations (forced to buy the cat in the bag), right of proper ownership of what was purchased (the trickery where what you buy is not a product but a subscription or license that can unilaterally be removed, and so forth. |
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09-03-2013, 12:05 AM | #110 | |
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In case you haven't noticed: on Amazon you can return any ebook. You can download samples everywhere. And no, they cannot (legally) unilatterally be removed (illegal methods of taking merchandise back are available for any physical item, too). If you don't like the conditions the right thing to do is not to buy the item in question and just read something else. And in any case, other people's (perceived) wrongdoings are no excuse for one's own. Last edited by HansTWN; 09-03-2013 at 12:12 AM. |
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Similarly, copyright is not undisputed, either, and the Swiss law makers have a different take on it. Why does that make them anything other than civilized? They looked at studies, too, and found that the industry's claims are exaggerated and unjustified. I prefer that approach over those laws that are the result of massive lobbying. DRM and copyrights don't just take away the right to distribute something (I can go along with that, though I disagree with the length of copyrights.), but also the right to re-sell what you paid for and to duplicate for personal use (it's illegal in most EU countries and the US to circumvent the DRM). Amazon's refund policy is voluntary, it's not a right. In my country, you have no right to return a digital product. "So it should be" is an opinion, not a fact. In Switzerland, it isn't that way, and the Swiss law makers felt that that is how it should be. Personally, I would agree that it is too much freedom and doesn't sufficiently address the needs of the content creators, but if I had to decide between too much freedom and too little freedom, I'd always opt for the former. |
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09-03-2013, 02:09 PM | #114 | |
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You can't say that they are taking away rights if downloading ebooks was never illegal. In other countries, where it was voted that downloading books is illegal the law makers have taken rights from the consumers. |
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That's what "society" is; a set of restrictions on the absolute freedom of the individual for the overall good. I don't see how a "right" to take anything you want without paying for it benefits society. I certainly wouldn't write software unless I had an expectation of being able to sell it rather than have it taken by anyone who wanted it.
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In almost all countries there is some kind of compensation payment, because costumers can free share content.
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I see it with big companies: they act like small children do, alsways doing things that are on the edge (or just over it) of what is allowed, until they are stopped short by a new law. And then, they find a different way to do the same again, or something new of which they *know* that it probably would not have been allowed, had someone thought about it before and made a law against it. So, they start doing it until somebody with the correct authority notices and makes a new law. Like so: Child / Company: *Do some stuff* Parent / Law maker: "No! Not allowed!" Child / Company: "Aaaaw!" *pout, pout* And 5 minutes to 5 months later (depending if it's a child or a company), it starts all over again, and again, and again, and again. And as I said, many people and companies think like that. "If there's no law to prohibit it, then it's fine. If there *is* a law and I don't get caught, then it's fine too." It's the reason why I have the overwhelming feeling that many people and companies have no morals, ethics or common sense whatsoever. Last edited by Katsunami; 09-03-2013 at 02:40 PM. |
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09-03-2013, 03:51 PM | #119 | |
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My opinion is that education should be provided free to all that qualify. No sense sending a non literate person to medical school. A minimum food and rent subsidy should be provided to those unable to pay for it. I know we have scholarships and student loans but it is not enough for many. I think it is incumbent on society as a whole to provide necessary books, and authors and publishers would pay along with the rest of us through taxes. And most of us have access to libraries with paper copies at least of popular fiction. I don't at present, but luckily I can access my home libraries ebooks I don't expect Safeway to provide free or low cost food for the needy, and they are possibly wealthier than the publishers. Be nice if they did of course, but soon they would probably be out of business. Helen Last edited by speakingtohe; 09-03-2013 at 03:53 PM. |
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"Kill them. For the Lord know those that are His own." or exactly as said "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." Abbot Arnaud Amalric during the Albigensian Crusade. pedant off. Sorry, one of my favorite quotes of all time should be a mainstay of British law when dealing with our politicians. |
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