11-15-2022, 10:10 AM | #91 |
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To everybody saying that a majority of the population voted to defund the library over some gay books (and that WAS the reason for the defunding, as per every news source I could find, including conservative sources and local sources), these were small, local elections with very small turnout. I know we just went through the midterms, but both votes in question were from before then.
On small elections like this it is easy enough to whip up a small group to vote the way you want and even then it was a split. (Again, see the libertarians voting to defund school districts in New Hampshire.) They were successful, sure. But there's no way you are going to convince me that vote represented the will of the majority of people in Jamestown. |
11-15-2022, 10:24 AM | #92 |
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Sure you can. I disagree with 'half the population' having supported this, as already mentioned. But anyway, if you vote to defund your library due to their inclusion of a small amount of LGBT books, you are a bigot, according to any reasonable definition.
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And the voters did exactly what they should do. Decide if they think the Library Director made the right decision. If they felt she didn't, and they felt they had no other recourse, then voting down the library's funding is perfectly valid. Or do you think the majority of taxpayers should be forced to pay for what they don't want because some "professional association" deems it should be so?
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But it's beside the point. Even if the turnout had been light, that doesn't invalidate the election. |
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However this recent vote is hardly an indicator of a massive support for this especially when you consider that earlier vote you like mentioning which had a bigger majority. Put simply yes the vote passed but that passing should not be taken as an indication that the thing voted on is a signpost to follow for the future as some would seem to believe. |
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A motion can pass by a single vote. This is democracy and no one here has said otherwise. Pretending that a motion which passes by a single vote is wildly popular and to quote “doing what your bosses want” is disingenuous at best. Which is what has sparked this sub conversation. Those other voters are an elected officials boss just as much as those in the majority. Unless you want to live in a world where politics is looked at as a win/lose game. |
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11-15-2022, 02:33 PM | #101 |
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And in the end the end. These people are going to run their town as they see fit. I'm more about why people feel so comfortable discriminating against gay people. Do they learn nothing from history? |
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11-15-2022, 03:27 PM | #104 |
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There are two aspects that are striking to me that I don’t think have been touched on.
First, this is not how democracy works; alternatively, it’s how democracy works badly. It’s one thing for a scant majority to elect a person or pass a law, because those are zero-sum games. But a library! When 51% can dictate what the 49% think, we’re in scary times. There’s a political term for it, but for forum purposes I’ll just call it control. Why wouldn’t a library choose to be representative of an entire community? Those who didn’t like them could just exercise their own freedoms not to read the books, but instead they’d rather infringe on the freedoms of others. Freedom for me but not for thee. And second, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! The voters would really prefer not to have a library at all, a place where their kids can get books and their elders get warm or exchange a cheery hello to stave off loneliness? A place where the community, individually and severally, can go for information? Really tells the story; it’s sheer fear of knowledge and how it empowers. What has happened to kindness and tolerance? How does someone else’s essential being have any effect on one’s own? |
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I’m going to exercise my prerogative to close this thread, having had the last word. Feel free to think of me as a hypocrite. But it’s the point where people are repeating themselves; minds won’t be changed. Those who feel otherwise are free to carry the discussion to the P&R forum.
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