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@theducks,
<<Calibre has a CONSISTENT interface.>> Calibre has a commendably consistent interface, given its open architecture and flexibility. And as for real working value and supported features, it and its army of plug-in coders blow everything else off the map. |
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In the case of this plugin, it is rather poor. When you access the menu and click on the option the menu collapses and you don't see the effect. You have to reaccess the menu to see that the option is now checked. Also, when you click on the main button there is absolutely no indication of the state of the option. Again, a bad thing that could cause you to make a massive change you did not intend. The plugin should abandon the drop down and move the option for operating on the current file or all files to either a check box or option list in the plugin's main dialog. That way it is easy to see the current state, easy to change the current state, and makes the presence of the option obvious. The little "menu" arrow does indicate that there is some option, but doesn't indicate what option(s) are available. The user has to explore the menu on the off chance that some option may be available that will affect their useage. |
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If you don't mind, some of us like the plugin design as is.
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Just curious how you deal with not knowing what options are available on calibre's drop-down menus (on the main menu) before you click them? Last edited by DiapDealer; 01-24-2017 at 05:32 PM. |
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A visible control in the main dialog would be far better design. That way every time you open the dialog you can clearly see the current state of operation. You would also have reliable visible indication that you actually toggled the current setting. A visible control in the main UI is the method used by calibre's editor's Find & Replace panel so such UI would be quite consistent with other established calibre UI. |
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I don't have any idea what you're all on about, what menu, what drop down. Can someone post a screen shot please?
Note: because I avoid using a mouse, I don't use toolbars, this is what I see in the Plugins menu If I had to criticise anything it's that I have to work out via elimination where the options come from. IMO the DET options should be grouped in a flyout menu ![]() Aside - one of the reasons I stopped using calibre's library mgt toolbars (without icons even) is that I could never intuit why some buttons had drop downs and others didn't. No need to explain why, I know why, but IMO the rationale is obscure - i.e. non intuitive. BR |
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The only advantage to the current UI is that it is the way the plugin is currently coded and effort would be necessary to change it. I fully understand reluctance to make a change. I spent a long time in the software business designing functionality & then related UI, resolving user issues with existing functionality & UI, and designing the quality assurance systems to verify that code works as designed. |
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Visible tools icons are configurable in Preferences->Toolbars->Bookwide tools from third party plugins |
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For the menu item, a lot do have have an action when the check is changed (in Firefox, View->Toolbar - clicking one displays or removes a toolbar), but as many don't (in Firefox, View->Zoom->Zoom Text Only - clicking changes the option but affects what happens the next time you change the zoom level) |
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IMO if the DET functions are to have drop down menus on toolbar icons, then the equivalent menu items should have flyout menus. If an icon is not well-known or bleedin' obvious then an icon's purpose is often difficult to intuit; a'la Sigil's power-plugs that look like granny's flat-irons. In this instance, it would help if the order in which the plugin tools are shown in the menu and on the toolbar were the same. Does Sigil's Tag Mechanic, which what I normally use to fix spans etc, have this drop down issue. I don't show tool bars in Sigil either. BR |
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EDIT: actually, it looks as if I can easily add the configuration option to the plugin menu. I'll get that change made. Just be aware that even though there'll be a fly-out menu on the plugin menu entry, it will still be the same terribly inefficient, horribly unintuitive, (not to mention impossible to find) check-box that's on the Toolbar's dropdown menu. ![]() Quote:
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