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kennyc · 09-30-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by orion2001

Thanks edembowski and Moejoe,

I'll keep that in mind. I'm hoping that Sony eventually comes up with an update for full-justified EPUB display. I can't wait to migrate my library to Epub.

Why would you want that, it's generally poorly done, difficult to read and more stressful on the eyes.

braver · 10-01-2009, 01:49 AM

Once again, I'd appreciate if the posters in this thread refrain from

-- copyright debate
-- conversion and quality issues
-- DRM or no DRM

The issue is ebooks for paper books. I don't care in which format here, really. The problem is what aspects are relevant to digital upgrade.

PKFFW · 10-01-2009, 02:00 AM

1: It would be great if publishers gave a free or low cost ebook with every paper book purchase. I'm all for that even though I can't see myself buying too many more pbooks in the future. Frankly I don't see it happening for free and I don't care enough to bother writing to any publisher demanding it.

2: The above idea would only really work, in my opinion, if an option for such was given at time of purchase. If you want the ebook version then get it when you purchase the paper version. If you do not obtain the ebook version at time of purchase then that is your tough luck.

3: The idea we, as consumers, have a "right" or "entitlement" to the digital version from the publisher, at the publishers expense, for free is laughable in my opinion. At time of purchase the consumer is well aware of what they are purchasing. In this case, that is a paper version of a book. If the terms of sale are not to the consumers liking(because it does not include the ebook) then the consumer has a right to, or is entitled to, not proceed with the transaction. That is the only right or entitlement the consumer has.

Cheers,
PKFFW

orion2001 · 10-01-2009, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by braver

Once again, I'd appreciate if the posters in this thread refrain from

-- copyright debate
-- conversion and quality issues
-- DRM or no DRM

The issue is ebooks for paper books. I don't care in which format here, really. The problem is what aspects are relevant to digital upgrade.

Unfortunately the topic of this thread is very closely related to these points so if you wish not to discuss them I don't really see what else there is to say. Sure it would be nice to have an ebook along with a regular book, but obviously that isn't happening right now and a lot of it has to do with publishers, DRM, copyright and licensing issues.

mores · 10-01-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PKFFW

3: The idea we, as consumers, have a "right" or "entitlement" to the digital version from the publisher, at the publishers expense, for free is laughable in my opinion. At time of purchase the consumer is well aware of what they are purchasing. In this case, that is a paper version of a book. If the terms of sale are not to the consumers liking(because it does not include the ebook) then the consumer has a right to, or is entitled to, not proceed with the transaction. That is the only right or entitlement the consumer has.

I totally agree with you.

Crowl · 10-01-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Format C:

You can rip & encode those CDs, if you have access to a computer with CDex installed.

Depending on your country you can also scan your paper books too, in neither case is the publisher under any obligation to supply you with the additional format.

K-Thom · 10-01-2009, 07:52 AM

braver, if I do understand you correctly you are referring to the Amazon Upgrade feature and demand that this is expanded to any printed book purchases done on Amazon, and, in addition, for a lower or general fee?

It would have done this thread some good if you have stated that more clearly in both thread title and your initial post.

Amazon is a company with international branches. The Amazon Upgrade only applies to the US. I never heard of it before, living in Germany, with the Kindle not being sold over here.
So I took your approach as a general demand on an international level. For the US your idea sounds logical and quite reasonable. For the rest of the world your Amazon-based arguments simply don't apply at all.

PennyPie · 10-01-2009, 11:29 AM

K-Thomm wrote

Quote:

braver, if I do understand you correctly you are referring to the Amazon Upgrade feature and demand that this is expanded to any printed book purchases done on Amazon, and, in addition, for a lower or general fee?

It would have done this thread some good if you have stated that more clearly in both thread title and your initial post.

Amazon is a company with international branches. The Amazon Upgrade only applies to the US. I never heard of it before, living in Germany, with the Kindle not being sold over here.
So I took your approach as a general demand on an international level. For the US your idea sounds logical and quite reasonable. For the rest of the world your Amazon-based arguments simply don't apply at all.

No...as I stated earlier, Amazon acts as a venue for individuals & small businesses to sell their merchandise...so...MANY of the purchases made on Amazon are in fact thru private individuals or businesses which have no relationship with the publishing company of the item they're selling....no way does Amazon have any obligation to supply ebooks for those items.

Shaggy · 10-01-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by doreenjoy

I have CDs I've purchased; that doesn't entitle me to free or low cost MP3s of the same songs.

Sure it does (depending on what country you're in), you just have to "rip" them yourself.

Shaggy · 10-01-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by braver

The contents is the same, and the fact that you don't think you're entitled to it in all possible shapes means you're still in the 20th century, or are a perfect customer for RIAA and the like, or both.

You're legally entitled to it, but you have to do the work yourself. If you expect Amazon to do it for you then you would need to consider the cost/labor of them doing the work instead.

Would it be nice if Amazon offered this as a service for the pBook customers (either for free or at a reduced price), certainly. I don't really see why they should be required to do so though.

Jellby · 10-01-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

Sure it does (depending on what country you're in), you just have to "rip" them yourself.

You can do it yourself, but the publisher is not obliged to give it to you, or even to make it easy for you to do it.

kennyc · 10-01-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

Sure it does (depending on what country you're in), you just have to "rip" them yourself.

And the same is true of books -- you are perfectly justified in scanning and/or converting them to digital versions if it is for your own use and you are willing to do the work.

You should expect the publisher to do the work for you though.

Lemurion · 10-01-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PennyPie

K-Thomm wrote

No...as I stated earlier, Amazon acts as a venue for individuals & small businesses to sell their merchandise...so...MANY of the purchases made on Amazon are in fact thru private individuals or businesses which have no relationship with the publishing company of the item they're selling....no way does Amazon have any obligation to supply ebooks for those items.

While Amazon does act as a venue for third-party merchants, the so-called "Amazon Sellers," they also make it very clear when you're purchasing from one of these third parties rather than Amazon itself. (At least they do in the USA and Canada.)

So while Amazon has no obligation to do anything for the customers of those third parties, most customers know whether they bought from Amazon itself (in which case Amazon policies do apply) or from a third party.

PennyPie · 10-01-2009, 01:58 PM

Lemurion,
Of course you're absolutely correct.

I merely wanted to point out the difference, and suggest that it adds an additional layer to be sorted thru. Also, there's the Amazon 'fullfilment centers', in which Amazon acts as a storage and distribution service for sellers not interested in warehousing and shipping their merchandise.

Hellmark · 10-01-2009, 02:01 PM

On the fulfillment centers, that is stated too.

I still don't see why publishers should be required to go back and retroactively make things available for their past customers. It is a logistics nightmare, that ends up with them just losing money.

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10-01-2009, 01:49 AM	#77
braver Enthusiast Posts: 49 Karma: 86 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: Amazon Kindle DX	Once again, I'd appreciate if the posters in this thread refrain from -- copyright debate -- conversion and quality issues -- DRM or no DRM The issue is ebooks for paper books. I don't care in which format here, really. The problem is what aspects are relevant to digital upgrade.

10-01-2009, 02:00 AM	#78
PKFFW Wizard Posts: 3,693 Karma: 28619164 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: BeBook, Sony PRS-T1, Kobo H2O	1: It would be great if publishers gave a free or low cost ebook with every paper book purchase. I'm all for that even though I can't see myself buying too many more pbooks in the future. Frankly I don't see it happening for free and I don't care enough to bother writing to any publisher demanding it. 2: The above idea would only really work, in my opinion, if an option for such was given at time of purchase. If you want the ebook version then get it when you purchase the paper version. If you do not obtain the ebook version at time of purchase then that is your tough luck. 3: The idea we, as consumers, have a "right" or "entitlement" to the digital version from the publisher, at the publishers expense, for free is laughable in my opinion. At time of purchase the consumer is well aware of what they are purchasing. In this case, that is a paper version of a book. If the terms of sale are not to the consumers liking(because it does not include the ebook) then the consumer has a right to, or is entitled to, not proceed with the transaction. That is the only right or entitlement the consumer has. Cheers, PKFFW

10-01-2009, 07:52 AM	#82
K-Thom The one and only Posts: 3,302 Karma: 535819 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: yup!	braver, if I do understand you correctly you are referring to the Amazon Upgrade feature and demand that this is expanded to any printed book purchases done on Amazon, and, in addition, for a lower or general fee? It would have done this thread some good if you have stated that more clearly in both thread title and your initial post. Amazon is a company with international branches. The Amazon Upgrade only applies to the US. I never heard of it before, living in Germany, with the Kindle not being sold over here. So I took your approach as a general demand on an international level. For the US your idea sounds logical and quite reasonable. For the rest of the world your Amazon-based arguments simply don't apply at all.

10-01-2009, 01:58 PM	#89
PennyPie Cocoa & Toast...mmmmmm... Posts: 275 Karma: 1000 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio Device: Sony PRS-700, iPhone	Lemurion, Of course you're absolutely correct. I merely wanted to point out the difference, and suggest that it adds an additional layer to be sorted thru. Also, there's the Amazon 'fullfilment centers', in which Amazon acts as a storage and distribution service for sellers not interested in warehousing and shipping their merchandise.

10-01-2009, 02:01 PM	#90
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,549 Karma: 3799999 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: O'Fallon, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3	On the fulfillment centers, that is stated too. I still don't see why publishers should be required to go back and retroactively make things available for their past customers. It is a logistics nightmare, that ends up with them just losing money.

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