Differences Tolino & Kobo

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by DNSB

As for ereading applications? I've used a lot of ebook applications and very few of them would be, IMNSHO, superior to the Kobo reading application. Admittedly, I tend to ask little of a reading application other than it displays the text following the ebook's CSS/styles. It sometimes strikes me as strange the sheer number of times I've read posts that proclaim the superiority of an ereading app which is either unable to do this essential task or needs some arcane tweaks to even come close to doing so.

Agreed. I've always been frustrated with various epub reader apps for that very reason. So when I want to read something on my phone (not very often), I use azw3 and the Kindle app, which does respect the CSS.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Agreed. I've always been frustrated with various epub reader apps for that very reason. So when I want to read something on my phone (not very often), I use azw3 and the Kindle app, which does respect the CSS.

I don't care about the imaginative formatting - I remove most of them before the books are put on my reader.
This enables me to read the text in the way I want.
The handling of the reading application is more important to me than the possibility to see the given format instructions.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

I don't care about the imaginative formatting - I remove most of them before the books are put on my reader.
This enables me to read the text in the way I want.
The handling of the reading application is more important to me than the possibility to see the given format instructions.

I also fix the formatting of all my ebooks. And that's the reason I want the reading app to follow the CSS - because it's already exactly the way I want it and I don't want the app to display the book any other way.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

I don't care about the imaginative formatting - I remove most of them before the books are put on my reader.
This enables me to read the text in the way I want.
The handling of the reading application is more important to me than the possibility to see the given format instructions.

Imaginative formatting? Chapter headers that are centered is imaginative formatting? Images that are horizontally centered on a page and the image size remains a relatively constant portion of the display size is imaginative formatting? Hanging idents and centered paragraphs are imaginative formatting? Displaying italics is imaginative formatting?

I'm not asking for handling spiral text simply following basic CSS.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Imaginative formatting? Chapter headers that are centered is imaginative formatting? Images that are horizontally centered on a page and the image size remains a relatively constant portion of the display size is imaginative formatting? Hanging idents and centered paragraphs are imaginative formatting? Displaying italics is imaginative formatting?

I donot care where i can see chapter headers. Most of the pictures I remove, hanging idents and centered paragraphs I donot like aso.
I want left aligned, distance between paragraphs, no indent, font face Arial.
When I want to read a book. then I read a paper book or pdf.
When I read an epub, then Im reading mainly the text but in this case im interested in easy handling of the device.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

When I want to read a book. then I read a paper book or pdf.
When I read an epub, then Im reading mainly the text but in this case im interested in easy handling of the device.

And that's the difference. For me, ebooks are books. I don't want them to look like a text file without any formatting. I don't read paper books unless there is no electronic edition at all.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

And that's the difference. For me, ebooks are books. I don't want them to look like a text file without any formatting. I don't read paper books unless there is no electronic edition at all.

I have a library with about 15,000 books and when I read one of them I want to feel the paper, smell the paper, feel the weight, then I am happy with the layout, the pictures that may be available, then I enjoy this feeling.
When I consume a text, I only want the text divided into chapters and paragraphs.
And on all larger 7 inch devices two columns in reverse landscape format.
And for that I got my readers and paid a lot of tuition until my needs emerged.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by davidfor

WBut, if the point is to get a relative length of the books, there are other sources for page or word counts. Goodreads, Kobo and Amazon show them. Some non-English have them as well. And, in any case, if you open the book and change the font settings to your preferred ones, the page count shown is comparable to any other kepub opened on the same sized device with the same settings.

The problem with the page numbers shown by Kobo and Amazon is you have no idea what version they were taken from and you have no idea the format of that book. So yes, you do have a page number that isn't useful. Goodreads is terrible for eBook page numbers. I used to be able to post in the librarians thread the correct ADE page number for an eBook and that used to be corrected. But now they used the page number that's found with the eBook listing which is wrong.

The only real way to get a sense of how long is to use ADE page numbers. Does the count pages Plugin work with KePub? If not, can it be easily modified to allow it to do so? Then you can get a sense of how long your KePub is if that's the only version you have in Calibre.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by 4691mls

Thought I'd read somewhere that it was ADE pages - guess that was wrong.

It was ADE style pages. Same method o counting pages with just a different amount per page. But once you got used it it, it worked as well as ADE page numbers.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

I donot care where i can see chapter headers. Most of the pictures I remove, hanging idents and centered paragraphs I donot like aso.
I want left aligned, distance between paragraphs, no indent, font face Arial.
When I want to read a book. then I read a paper book or pdf.
When I read an epub, then Im reading mainly the text but in this case im interested in easy handling of the device.

Where did you come by your like of your formatting? You don't see it in pBooks. In pBooks you see indents and serif text. The pictures are there. Centered, offset, etc. text is there. How did you come to liking things the way you described?

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Where did you come by your like of your formatting? You don't see it in pBooks. In pBooks you see indents and serif text. The pictures are there. Centered, offset, etc. text is there. How did you come to liking things the way you described?

From study scripts that are designed to convey content quickly. And when it comes to electronic reading, I don't want anything else.
I need about 5 hours for a 500 page book.
On a reader less than 3.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem with the page numbers shown by Kobo and Amazon is you have no idea what version they were taken from and you have no idea the format of that book. So yes, you do have a page number that isn't useful.

Yes I do. I am only using the page count for an approximation. I don't care if it is accurate, because I know it is not. I just want a relative size.

Goodreads is terrible for eBook page numbers. I used to be able to post in the librarians thread the correct ADE page number for an eBook and that used to be corrected. But now they used the page number that's found with the eBook listing which is wrong.

And were you giving the "correct" ADE page count for the correct edition of the ebook? As you correctly point out, the page count is dependent on the edition of the book. But, that goes for the ebook as well. Changes in the included text, such as a different forward or afterword, or a preview of another book changes the page count. I expect that you were giving the ADE page count from your "perfect" version of the ebook (not extraneous text) which is not valid for any other copy of the ebook. And I literally mean "copy", as your book is no longer the same as any other copy of the same edition.

The only real way to get a sense of how long is to use ADE page numbers. Does the count pages Plugin work with KePub? If not, can it be easily modified to allow it to do so? Then you can get a sense of how long your KePub is if that's the only version you have in Calibre.

And that really demonstrates that you don't really understand how ADE page numbers are calculated. Running the ADE algorithm over an epub converted to epub, by any of the methods available, will give a different page count. The algorithm is based on the size of the compressed internal files. Any change to that will change the page count. And the kepubs internal files are different because of the added spans. That changes the file size and hence the compressed files size. Dividing that by 1024 to get the page count for that internal file will give a different result from the original epub.

And as a demonstration, using the copy of "Footfall" by Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle that I have, the epub page count is 556. The kepub page count is 669. This was the same for both a conversion or using the extended driver. With such a difference, there is no real comparison between them.

When it comes down to it, none of the page count algorithms are "accurate". And they are only comparable between books that are built in the same way. And then only barely. Word count should be a much better way to do it. But, there is still the issue of how to count words, which is an argument we've had elsewhere, and I have absolutely no interest in engaging in ever again.

[dikkied]

With the Kobo libra you can reverse the hardware buttons in order to use the top button for scrolling forward. Is this also possible withe the Tolino vision 5?

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[HolyAura]

Because they are basically hardware clones, I would assume it is possible.

[elvvis]

Yes, the buttons can also be swapped on the Tolino.