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Overpopulation reduces the amount of resources available for all. Look at the starvation in Africa, and other places. |
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10-31-2009, 11:31 PM | #62 | |
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We're arguing the wording BN used in their release. Big difference. |
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11-01-2009, 12:01 AM | #63 | |
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The cause for the starvation in Africa is NOT, repeat NOT, because of over population. It is because of constant warfare, poor agricultural practices, corruption, lack of education, and other stupidity. While a large part of Africa receives food subsidies from the West, they actually export agricultural products to receive much of their income. If they could manage their resources better they have the capability to feed not all of the continent but a large part of the rest of the world. |
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11-01-2009, 12:14 AM | #64 | |
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Personally, it never occurred to me that I might (or should) be able to loan it out multiple times at the same time. But the big market in first-run movie downloads which were created with a cell phone video camera shows us that there is always someone out there with nothing better to do with their time than abuse the system. I expect the feature would be meaningless to me should I buy one, but the misleading wording is still a withdrawal from the old trust bank. On the other hand. It is marketing, and it has never been claimed that a marketeer had to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as a condition of employment. |
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I just think that anyone who saw that would or should know that the system will allow you to make lending an ebook possible but it would have major restrictions on it. There has been far too many stories in the news about people being sued for sharing copyrighted material that we all should know that this will partly be at the mercy of the author regardless of whether the system supports it or not. Further, while the Nook is not super expensive, it costs enough that most adults would read through the fine print on what can and can not be done with the device. From what I see here, pretty much everyone knew that it would limit the loans before buying. The peope here in this thread found out from the B&N site that there were limits. So again how is that not providing the information. Lastly, I don't remember ever seeing a product advertised that starts out mentioning the limits on a feature. They mention the feature, then the fine print gives you all the details. |
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11-01-2009, 11:59 AM | #66 | |
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As for product advertising not mentioning limits, when there could be a misunderstanding of the details by any reasonable person, after the big print shouts "FREE CABLE TV FOR LIFE", the size 2 font whispers "after payment of a $10,000 installation fee, non-transferable". So, yes. Perhaps you aren't, but we are, talking about the wording. While for many its not a deal-breaker, it still wouldn't have taken much to add one little word in the description to avoid the ill-feeling this thread represents. |
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In addition, following the info here, it does appear that B&N had provided the info before anyone could have ordered one. If that is the case, then I don't think there is any reason to complain. Again, this is MO. |
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11-01-2009, 08:40 PM | #68 | |
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Hard to know what country you are talking about since you don't have a location specified. But no matter that, the initial wording was misleading and likely intentionally -- and that idea is supported particularly by the evasive answering that followed specific questions wrt lending. Absolutely there it reason to complain. It's called TRUTH IN ADVERTISING. |
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11-01-2009, 09:24 PM | #69 |
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I agree. You SHOULD be sorry to disagree. The "fine print" came out before anyone got one only because people kept badgering BN to answer the question with more than a quote of the vague FAQ "answer".
You are absolutely correct, however, that in this country (and I arrogantly assume the U.S., cuz that's where I am) that the standard is what any reasonable person would expect. I am a reasonable person, and I suspect many of the people in MB are reasonable people. I fully expected something along the lines that you could loan a book out more than once to more than one person, but only to one person at a time. If we then found it was limited to twice, we would have been a little disappointed that it wasn't more, but not overly disturbed and the thread would have been shorter. If we had found it was limited to 3 times, this thread would have been a LOT shorter -- and filled mostly with people saying, "No big deal. 3 times is more than enuff. Most paperbacks don't last thru many more than that many reads." We ARE smart enuff to realize after a little thot that infinite loans would be an unreasonable expectation. We are also smart enuff to recognize when an advertiser tried to pull the wool over our eyes and it didn't work. And all we are saying now is that if BN had included "limited" in their advertising, there may have been some grumbling about HOW limited, but not 68 posts (69 now that I have posted this one, and 70 when you answer to tell me I am still wrong IYO). That's okay, I still gave you Karma points cuz your post gave me a chance to up my post count. |
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And, no, I did not preorder, and the lending policy doesn't bother me other than they actively seemed to try to hide what the policy was. |
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A "reasonable person" can certainly assume the phrase "loaning permitted" doesn't mean "one time to one person." Libraries loan books, including ebooks, to many people, with the only limitation being one reader at a time per purchase. Why would anyone assume this would be drastically different from that? |
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The reasonable person test is used partly because all of us can become unreasonable about about a specific topic at times. Each and every person in the world has opinions that we can develop that makes great sense to us and maybe a few others, but don't make sense to most people. So they are looking at what they think the common adult would think. In this case, I think that most people would agree with me. Of course, I could be wrong. You said: "We ARE smart enuff to realize after a little thot that infinite loans would be an unreasonable expectation." To me that proves my argument that a reasonable person would realize that there has to be limits on it. Therefore there is no reason to have the word limited loaning; because you already know that part. It is the same thing to me as DirecTV saying in their ads that all you need is their service to get the best in enertainment. We already know that you still need the TV so there is no reason to mention that. Of course these are my OPINIONS. Also, again I would like to point out that I have not meant to insult anyone in comments. If anyone has been offended, I ask for your forgiveness. |
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Somehow the Seinfeld episode where Elaine is deciding if guys are 'Sponge worthy' because of the lack of the Today sponges comes to mind. With one loan only on books we have to think hard before we lend a book to someone.
Are they "loan worthy"? What if we find someone later that we like even more and want to lend to them, but have already used our one chance? Will they forgive us for not keeping our books pure? Will they still respect us? Okkaaayyy, I think I just scared myself with the whole thought. Fortunately my hubby doesn't read, that's why he's a math teacher. He wouldn't care if I loaned all my books to some other guy. But I still say it is reasonable to think that BN saying the nook has the ability to lend books doesn't mean once and once only. Why not just say, "pick out one book in the entire life of the nook and you can loan it out, once, then forget it, no more loans" Makes as much sense to me. Not that I'm saying YOU are being unreasonable, scveteran. I can see your pov, I just don't agree. I also don't think you are saying WE are being unreasonable, either. This is all just a good debate. Last edited by mrscoach; 11-03-2009 at 02:15 PM. |
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