03-28-2012, 09:39 AM | #61 | |
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I linked your posting to the software wiki... maybe you can extend it with an URL to the working software version (and possibly mention it in the Tips'n'Tweaks one, too)? Cheers. |
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03-29-2012, 06:50 AM | #62 |
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I recently bought an Onyx Boox X60 for my wife to use for reading and taking notes at the office. The reading experience is fine, but I found the built-in scribble app to be nearly useless – despite the surprisingly good digitizer.
Here is a list of the functions I would need / expect in such a device, and my annoying experience with the X60: 1. Undo (at least the last stroke, but preferably more). X60: doesn’t support it. 2. Quick access to eraser (icon on screen). X60: eraser is in menu, needs 2 or more taps to access, then 2 more to switch back to pen. 3. Renaming scribble files. X60: doesn’t support it. 4. Searching scribble files by file name (including partial name). X60: doesn’t support it. 5. Exporting scribble files to a PC via USB cable or wirelessly to the web. X60: doesn’t support it. I have tried the following methods: • Accessing the device memory and the SD card and finding the scribble files – couldn’t find them. • Using the Export function in the Scribble application – exports only the last page of a multi-page scribble (how useless is that???) • Using the (undocumented) snapshot function (pressing Vol+ and Vol- buttons simultaneously) – captures a blank page without the scribbles. • Using a blank pdf as a template – the scribbles are lost when I rename the template. Even if I don’t rename the template (or rename it before starting to scribble), the scribbles do not show up when I view the pdf on a pc. Is the situation similarly bad on the M92? Does PeterX's alternative scribble app solve some of these issues? If so, any idea if it would run on an X60? |
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03-29-2012, 08:20 AM | #63 | |
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W.r.t. your problems - they are very similar to issues with the M92 and Onyx works on some of them (w.r.t. the M92 - no clue about the X60). At least w.r.t. the 'disappearing' annotations, you will find the reason and a workaround on the M92 wishlist wiki. (keyword: metadata) P.S.: To view the scribbles on a PC, you need to use the export functionality, which creates a new PDF... and before you ask on how to print them, have a look at the M92 'Tips and Tricks' and/or Software wiki page (PC Software). Last edited by kodomo; 03-29-2012 at 08:29 AM. |
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04-09-2012, 09:49 AM | #64 | |
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04-10-2012, 10:33 AM | #65 |
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New version, should be faster now. No new features. Still non-stable.
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04-15-2012, 04:27 AM | #66 |
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Finally I tried your application. I like it. It is fast and drawing can be used later on on PC... And unlike Onyx approach the eraser works as real eraser, which I like. (The Onyx one erases the whole glyph.)
I hit a few udesired features. 1) If the screen rotation is used, the application draws (in real time) as if there is no screen rotation. But when you turn page and go back everything is at right place. So, the drawing should be rotated also while drawing. 2) It is probably invoked by 1) If screen rotation is used, it is possible to draw to toolbar. 3) The same problem as in Onyx Scrible App and pdf scrible. Probably invoked by a pen driver? If you draw a line behind the margin (say to status bar), release pen and place it somewhere else, it joins the last known possition with a new one (new start of line). The info that pen stopped touching the screen is lost somewhere. I would suggest to do some smart filtering. Two joined points should not be too far (maybe few mm), maybe also observing timestamp of events (if there is any). In your case I managed to invoke it only on some of margins, so maybe also restricting filtering to this case might help to avoid some udesirable side effects. 4) I do not know if it is possible to change the width of a pen. I haven't found a way to do it. But sometimes the drawing switches to fine-line. When I draw it is normal (semi-fine), but after turning pages it turns out (and stays) as fine-line. 5) I use screen refreshing mode 'every 5 pages'. In this case upper toolbar and bottom status bar are not redrawed correctly. Time and page numbers are writen over and over. There is no update of background. Feature request. It would be fine to have a possibility to change the width of lines and eraser. Maybe by repeated pressing pen / eraser icon (and changing that icon to show actual state - if that is possible). |
04-17-2012, 01:59 PM | #67 | |
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I never tried the application with rotated screen. I am also not sure how the application should handle the rotated screen. Should the tool and status bar be rotated? Should the xournal file be rotated? This could cause some content to be not visible anymore. On the other hand, if someone loads a xournal file that already has a landscape format, it should also be displayed as such. What are your opinions? |
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04-17-2012, 02:47 PM | #68 |
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First of all thx a lot for your effort, i really think that this device could become a very good notebook with the proper software.
Since you've fixed the issue with the saving every 5 secs your app is now quite useful to me. Here are my recommendations: -I've also noticed the issue with the thin and bolder lines which Mono mentioned -Maybe, you should add a full refresh of the screen every several pages, or at every page turn (after several pages of notes the "noise" on the screen becomes quite unbearable) -The status bar is not very useful to me, maybe you could skip it or make some sort of fullscreen option. -the App leave a border of unused space on each side of the screen. -Landscape mode would also be nice, of course, but then the toolbars would take too much space, i think. -today i left the app open and some weird stuff happened, the big clock appeared and wouldn't go away until i pressed the back button several times, the i saw the app on the screen again but it wouldn't respond. Afterwards i couldn't return to the main menu and had to reset the device. The good news is that my notes were saved. Thank you very much again for your contribution to the community. Last edited by por; 04-17-2012 at 03:01 PM. |
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Concerning refresh and the status bar: You can trigger a refresh by "clicking" on the circular arrow in the status bar. Furthermore, you can navigate the pages using the status bar. I think that an automatic refresh depending on the number of page changes is not very useful. Sometimes I want to flip through the pages very fast and sometimes I have to trigger a refresh because I deleted many of my scribbles. I think manual (and only manual) mode is most useful and I do not want to clutter the application with configuration options. I added the fullscreen mode to the wanted features. Concerning landscape mode: I still do not get the idea behind landscape mode. As I understand it, "landscape mode" just changes the position (and label orientation) of the tool- and status bar (at least for this application, as there is no text). Can you explain any other benefit? Sorry, but I cannot tell what happened for the last point you mention. Yours, Christian. |
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04-18-2012, 04:46 AM | #71 |
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Do you mean that in the version i already have the issue with the borders is already gone?
Maybe i messed something up while updating the app. Is there somewhere a tut on how to install the app, i don't seem to remember how i installed it in the first place... I have this folder on the root of the device called scribble, i just put the new scrible.oar there replacing the old, did i do something wrong? |
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Fixed the two bugs concerning writing on the borders.
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04-19-2012, 02:27 PM | #74 |
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Great!
Unfortunately all the scribbling software on the device suffers from the issue with the stopping pen (after leaving it near the screen for a moment one is not able to continue writing until you lift the pen in the air several cm.). It probably is some kind of driver issue.. |
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