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They need to tell us the actual copyright status of a work when they release it. Some things might still fall between the cracks, but that'd go a long way towards ending the problem of "is this in the public domain yet" and "are digital copies free to share?" I understand it'd be hard to set up a database & manage access to it; someone would have to pay for that. (Technically, it should be the government. Which should require an archive copy of anything that's formally registered.) Of course, what we really need is a complete overhaul of copyright law, with "fair use" much better defined, and the exceptions for library/archive copies clarified, and a strong tendency towards tolerating noncommercial copies. Because right now, quotebacks in emails could technically be sued as copyright infringement, and as long as that's the case, the law is too ridiculous to be taken seriously. The *attempt* of the RIAA to prosecute cellphone ringtones as "public performance" says that the law is badly broken. |
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05-20-2011, 05:46 PM | #62 |
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Why do we have to bring the government into a civil matter... copyright takes place at the act of creation... no need for a government (and doubtless expensive) database... if there's a post-facto problem over copyright and whether an item is PD then if a mistake is made then just compensate at normal commercial royalty rates...
By all means sort out and overhaul copyright law but what's the necessity to turn civil claims into criminal penalties... |
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05-20-2011, 06:41 PM | #64 | |
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What's the royalty on a book that's never been marketed as an ebook? (What's the cost for an epub version of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone? Should it be based on hardcover price, trade paperback, cheapest mmpb cost, or something else?) How about a limited-print run book from a now-deceased author? (Used copies of Chumbley's Azoetia sell for about $1000 on ebay.) And are they paid to the author (or heirs) or the publisher? (I'm not sure "royalty" is the right word, when it's "full cost of the book"--or does the publisher get cut out of this equation?) If the publisher's gone, to whom are they paid? (I have The Unity Trilogy by Meisha Merlin... if I scan & convert it to an ebook, do I owe them, or the new publishers who owns the ebook rights?) |
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05-20-2011, 07:22 PM | #66 | |
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Normal = generally acceptable to both parties involved... as to what they should be based on... that's what the courts are for if you can't make your mind up or come to an agreement... and why change the terms of the discussion... Harry Potter books are hardly out of copyright so why should anyone scanning them be allowed without the author's permission...
Similarly for the rest of your "examples," your earlier comment was on how to deal with "accidental" downloads of still copyrighted material and mistakes concerning whether material was still copyrighted whereas your examples seem to deal with items clearly in copyright, straightforward illegal copying and rights ownership... items which current civil and contractual law is fully capable of handling... And why ignore my last point, "By all means sort out and overhaul copyright law but what's the necessity to turn civil claims into criminal penalties..." which was the primary response to your expression of a need for more governmental interference... Quote:
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05-20-2011, 10:31 PM | #67 | |
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What I was trying to say (and not knocking your point about the issues with merchants listing iffy books) is that most illegal download sites are well known as such; you may not know you're getting a pirate copy at Amazon but you darn well know it if you are getting it from downloadbooksforfreefrompirates.com (I made that URL up but there are plenty sort of like it). And as far as I know, not a whole lot legal is torrented except by accident--legal stuff is more simply obtained and often of better quality. |
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05-21-2011, 06:22 AM | #68 |
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I would imagine that the majority of those "grannies" started off downloading ebooks "illegally" to get the ebook versions of the books they already own. Personally, I don't have any problem with anyone doing that for that reason (no need to condemn my morals - consider it said and just move on ). Once that was done though, and the expertise was in place and the source sites discovered, the realization that "hey, I can get other books this way, or subsequent books by my favorite authors this way too" made it very easy to take that next step into full-blown "piracy".
Especially if, as was mentioned, the "granny" was already used to mixing music tapes, taping shows off the TV, downloading from places like Napster and Audiogalaxy in her misspent youth. All she has to do is take her peg leg, parrot and eyepatch back out from the box in the attic and she's set to go. (Besides, don't you just love how it's labeled "piracy" when common folks do it, and just "good business practices" when companies rip off their customers or the government, or when the recording industry rips off their artists?) |
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AMEN! Can you say double standard hypocracy! This is why I am starting to have fewer qualms about people pirating.
Every OLD 35 year old & over should do it just for being labled as grannies! |
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With Inkmesh, etc., it usually is very easy to get the best deal on any ebook, and if you feel the prices are too high --- just don't buy, Even if the above were all true, then I don't think bad behavior by others should be a justification to lower your own standards. |
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Then again, what's to say that some people's "standards" aren't "lower" than others right from the get-go? So their behavior may be true to "their" standards.
There is always this underlying assumption in these threads that everyone's moral/ethical standards are somehow the same - or should be. Last edited by Xanthe; 05-22-2011 at 04:30 PM. |
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Stealing something is not quite the same thing as business practices. Customers can choose not to pay for overpriced goods. Artists can choose who to sign with, or can choose to not sign at all.
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05-22-2011, 07:16 PM | #75 |
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You know, I am a "granny" and I don't see the point in doing that (unless I want it searchable, I guess, but mostly I don't).
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