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02-26-2010, 07:22 PM | #63 |
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To Harry T. Yes I deleted the book from my reader and computer but that is just to save space. I bought the book at the Sony store so anytime in the future I could re-download it. But what would be the point, I've already read it. I do reread books but I usually go a few years between readings. At this point and time the only copy, within reason, is on my mothers ebook reader, and of course her computer.
My mother actually asked me the other day if she could join my Sony account. I had to say no, bad son! I already share my account with my wife. 2 X ereaders, 2X computers. I work offshore so I authorize and de-authorize my work computer. That's five of my six devices. Sorry mom. Regards, Daryl |
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Having a past involvement with professional photography, I'm very aware of image 'theft' (copyright infringement in itself, despite being ubiquitous), bandwidth 'theft' and misuse of image-rights. Obviously Kenny doesn't see those types of theft as significant or "wrong" or morally repugnant. I didn't let it bother me, perhaps because it affected me only minimally and I based my business on charging for service, not for anticipated future prints/sales etc. I also recognized that that was reality and there wasn't much that I could do about it. I adjusted my business model accordingly to deal with reality, not how I wished reality was based on my own immeasurable and uncomparable morality. |
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But either way I don't think downloading/uploading copyrighted material being criminalized would kill the internet. I use it perfectly fine with no downloading of copyrighted books, music, movies, images etc. I use forums, read news sites and blogs, watch streaming video on official sites like the network sites hulu etc. As for whether downloading/uploading copyrighted material should be illegal, we've had that argument a million times on here, so no real point in it again. I think it should be as its the closet way you can get to theft and losing sales with digital content. You and other's don't and neither is going to change our minds so no need to bore the forum with another fruitless debate over that. Oh and by value I meant what the retail value of that digital content is. If it's a $1 song, the penalty would be $1.25. (Value +25%). $10 e-book? $12.50 penalty. Last edited by dmaul1114; 02-26-2010 at 07:36 PM. |
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On the subject of copies being made, in memory and on hard drives, let's not forget about content of the printed book transformed into light waves so they can reach your eyes and let you read it - a transformation often caused by the reader by turning on the light. That's a copy as well.
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Thank you for carrying things to the extreme...and I agree 100%. What's worse - what if multiples sets of eyes are involved. Reading over the shoulder of another is criminal!
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Still don't see why. I'm on the internet all the time and I don't download anything illegally. I hardly download anything period. Beyond reading text on web pages, most content I consume is streaming (and all legal).
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Uploaders pay that fine for each copy they've had downloaded from their site, torrent etc. Downloaders would pay it for each copy they've downloaded. But I'd be ok with the law just focusing on uploaders as if you kill the supply the demand is moot. It will never be killed, but you can at least reduce it if we get better systems to monitor illegal uploads, and clear (and reasonable) penalties that fit the crime. I think eventually it will all be moot. We'll get to a digital future were we don't own anything and just pay for unlimited access to materials on networks. No more paid discs or downloads of movies, stream them etc. That will kill piracy and the used market, and it's what the big publishers, studies and labels will do eventually when the technology and infrastructure is there. Thankfully, that's a long ways off. But I think that's pretty inevitable to happen by the end of this century. Last edited by dmaul1114; 02-26-2010 at 07:55 PM. |
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The uploaders are all the law, in the US and Canada, at least, focuses on currently.
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But yeah, I don't think they're going after the people who just download from torrents, p2p file sharing programs etc. while not contributing their files to others. |
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What you probably meant to say was downloading with the specific intent of receiving copyright infringed material should be criminal, but intent is a very tricky thing in court. That's not going to be nearly as clear cut and easy to distinguish as you might think. Somebody could make a post on here and cut/paste copyrighted material into it. If you read that post... guess what... you just downloaded copyrighted material without permission of the rights holder. Would you say that you are now a criminal, or have even done anything illegal? That's exactly why copyright law talks about distribution of content, not receiving it. Putting the responsibility on the person receiving the content is unworkable. |
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Speaking of format shifting. I have a multitude of paperbacks and I was thinking of purchasing a book scanner to scan in my treasured books to keep reading them in what ever digital device I use. What are the legalities there?
Whilst I was downloading the free versions of the EE Doc Smith stuff i found text files of the entire lensman series and downloaded these too. Some of these are not available for free. I cannot purchase these books new. Could I treat it like my CDs? I copy my Cds into iTunes then pack the discs away, I feel a little uneasy about downloading these files and packing my books. I am happy to keep the paperbacks if I can pack them into boxes and not have them invaded by insects etc. It is interesting I would have no qualms if I scanned them in myself. I understand I should keep my paperbacks that I format shift. A pity there is not a pay for use publishing industry service to accept my books and giving me a digital copy instead. The first copy of any older book would have to be scanned in but the rest would have greater profit and the paper books could be destroyed or sold in a giant second hand book store where they would make even more money from luddites sneering at our new fangled readers. |
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