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I've noticed that there is a discrepancy between the number of downloads for the hinted version vs. the non-hinted version. I know there have been some people saying that hinting is not good and they are 100% wrong. Proper hinting (like we have here) is not a problem. It does not cause an issue. You really do need to try both to decide which looks better to you. If you don't, you could be using the non-hinted version when the hinted version could be better.
But you really should try the hinted version just to show that hinting is not a problem as some mistakenly say. |
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I tried both version, and they look good. I think I prefer the nonhinted version.
It is a marvelous font for my Kindle Voyage, it can now compete in text rendering with my Kobo Glo HD. (Well not in selecting font size) Thank You very much. ![]() |
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Hi
Reading all these above comments, could someone explain -shortly- why non-hinted versions can be (nearly) as good or even better than hinted ones? I presume that providing hinting instructions is a huge task. It also makes the font heavier. But maybe it can guarantee consistent results over many platforms, while non-hinted versions can sometimes be excellent on platform A but less good on platform B. My guess is that the viewer software (or the machine software?) takes charge of this task but beyond this guess, it's really hazy... I just tested it on Koreader on a PW3. Which one of the two must I thank for this excellent rendering (I already said thanks to JSWolf) ? ![]() Last edited by roger64; 07-06-2016 at 05:13 AM. |
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If anyone runs Windows, use Windows Font Viewer to view the hinted and non-hinted fonts. Take a look at the two smallest sizes. You will notice that the hinted version looks better at the smaller sizes. At the larger sizes, the difference is not all that great or not noticeable.
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With Windows Font Viewer I like better the hinted version (I use small fonts). I have to test it at my eReader, because the modified fonts are usually too bold for me (I use Georgia at Kobo Aura).
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Of course hinted glyphs would look better on Windows. Windows screens are why font hinting was invented. But they would not on eInk. Directly from Wikipedia; font hinting is the use of mathematical instructions to adjust the display of an outline font so that it lines up with a rasterized grid.
The key word here is rasterized grid. This means geometrically aligned pixels of a computer (or smartphone) screen. All pixels are on the same lines on those screens, like boxes perfectly distributed. But electronic paper isn't created so. While it has geometrically aligned pixels, they are not used to show us the glyphs on the screen. The image is rendered between them haphazardly. This image show it: The text on screen is created by the black and white dots you see here. This macro of a Kindle explains it better than words: ![]() So, in effect, there are no rasterized grid in epaper that font hinting could understand. Hinting depends on rasterized grids, epaper doesn't have it. Moreover, hinting is a massive job to do properly. I greatly doubt that JSWolf spend months hand-hinting this type. And if he did, it was an exercise in futility. Sorry about that. Hinting is also not that usable in high-ppi screens (http://blog.typekit.com/2013/05/01/hi-dpi-typography/). The reason hinting exists is to make type look good at low resolutions screens. eInk isn't low resolution anymore, and more importantly, it isn't geometrically aligned when you look at it from outside. There is no way hinting could be useful, and there absolutely no way autohinting (which works on an assumption of an usual computer screen) can work at all. It might not make things worse, but it definitely can't make things better. It is impossible. JSWolf, if you are going to keep claiming that I am wrong, I expect something more than just you saying it works better. Explain why it works, please. Last edited by GERGE; 07-06-2016 at 06:33 AM. |
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If you find this too weighted for you, let me know and I'll put up an unweghted version for Kobo Readers using the Advanced Font Control patch.
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Here are a couple of screen shots from my H2O. Th first image is hinted and the second is not hinted.
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It's Ok for me, another patch for my Kobo
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