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01-22-2024, 11:28 AM | #62 | |
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I still am annoyed by the idea that I should feel offended even though I have accepted that English has not changed in the direction I would have preferred, partly due to sheer annoyance at the assumption that since I belong to a particular group I should feel a certain way. If I *refuse* to consider myself excluded, if I refuse to consider the probable intent of the author (death to authorial intent!) or accept someone else's assertation that I should feel excluded, that's my business. |
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01-22-2024, 11:31 AM | #63 | |
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Is there a non-English word that matches the informal meaning of "guys", as defined in post #1 that gets translated to English as "men" rather than "guys"? So it is not about "men" OR "guys" but BOTH "guys" AND "men" in a specific way. It turns out that "caras" in Brazilian Portuguese fits. Although I am curious where there are any others, I am too drained and have neglected too many other things to put any effort into finding out. Last edited by j.p.s; 01-22-2024 at 11:35 AM. |
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01-22-2024, 11:46 AM | #64 | ||
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For example, I only know this because I've read older English classics. In Estonian, there have always been three separate words for "man", "woman" and "human". No one has ever addressed a mixed group in Estonian as "men", unless they deliberately wanted to address only males. Quote:
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Generally, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt (well, other than one co-worker who referred to guys, gals and non-binary pals). So if I see men, I will assume that the person is referring to the old non-gendered meaning. OTOH, it is, in most cases, better to use wording that makes it clear even to those who are looking for exclusion, that is likely not there, whom you are referring to though. Oddly, I've found that many people don't seem to like being referred to as "all you zombies".
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01-22-2024, 02:42 PM | #68 |
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Well, there are some circumstances justifying this. The poster saying "chill" to a request not to use the word "Men" as a form of address here, for example. Yes, they were probably being defensive, but why not explain what you actually meant, if you see others have (presumably) misunderstood you?
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In all honesty, yes, I too think it was probably a translation error or something like that. But until the actual meaning has been explained, we don't know for sure. |
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01-22-2024, 08:34 PM | #70 |
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I am really astonished by all this thread....
If this all is because of an intellectual curiosity, and there is the willing to understand how different languages use coloquial terms in order to do a comparision and be overwhelmed by the richness of languages, then is it ok. BUT, if this post is to... let's say, to establish which are the correct ways to address eachother respectfully, to not be "mean" without noticing and to how to start a thread, then it couldn't be more wrong. If this is the reality, which I hope it is not, I picture Sheldon Cooper looking absolutelly focused at the deeps of the screen, trying to write the most rational point to try to discover what's hidden in the unscrutable valley of emotions and social interactions The solution it is very simple: One have to assume people with whom is interacting in a forum, specially a forum dedicated mostly to books and book's reading devices, is people that is there willingly to get along with each other. Also, to assume all that people is from around the world and have different ways of speaking, thinking and, of course, personalities. If points 1) and 2) are clear, then the forum open itself as a place of concord and happines, and when there is something one don't understand the meaning of, he/she/it doesn't get angry instantly, because his/hers/its mind would first think probably it is nothing rude, because, why would someone be rude in a books forum? There will be always time to clarify if is there a reason to get angry or not, but being the first option it is not very... social assertive. Also, obviously, the clarifying question can't be done with passive aggressiveness, or directly aggressiveness, as this is a way to say "You better explain yourself! Because you offended me" If things are asked with this mood, the (involuntary) damage is already done, and everything would get worse There is no other solution than that, because the only alternative it comes to my mind is to restrict the participation on this forum to people on the same country and to make everyone have the exact same behaviour. It could work, but it would be boring, because life gets enriched by the diversity of people and all the different ways to do the same thing. I PROMISE I will never start a thread again saying "Men", but I can't promise expressing myself in a way someone here can feel it rude. Of course, I never tried to be rude, nor I am planning to be rude in this forum. If the moment arrives, I make sure you notice it Bazinga!!! Last edited by Arconte; 01-22-2024 at 08:43 PM. |
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Hmm... lots of talk about how other people should behave. Speaking of rudeness, you don't think your post about not respecting people who listen to audiobooks was rude? That it might have angered other posters? Seems to me you want everyone else to be nice and polite, while you yourself feel free to make provocative and condescending posts and expect others not to respond in kind.
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