Politics and religion are off-limits, unless you opt in - Page 5

daffy4u · 10-25-2010, 12:01 PM

I think this is a fair decision which might allow me to take the Lounge off ignore. My "Ignore Thread" finger was getting a callus.

CCDMan · 10-25-2010, 12:02 PM

Nice idea!

I have, perhaps unfortunately, sometimes felt compelled to reply in some of those threads, especially when the religious fanatics start peddling their unsupported and unscientific beliefs. Generally I prefer to avoid those topics online, however, since they tend to raise one's blood pressure and they certainly solve no problems and change no-one's mind.

This mechanism gives me an excuse to "just not go there" (literally) as some additional steps are involved.

One could call it a sort-of forum version of "count to ten before speaking"! <g>

kindlekitten · 10-25-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FlorenceArt

Yes, that worries me too. It might become a ghetto where the same people end up saying the same things over and over again. Or is it that already? I'm really not sure where I stand on this whole issue.

I agree also with rhadin about "debates" not being real debates, but that is a very general issue, and they are still useful, maybe even necessary.

I think there have been, especially recently, some nice discussions which have, as mentioned prompted some to seek out new reading material. I have found that it is quite nice to be able to discuss with others that are obviously readers topics that may certainly be sensitive that we don't get to discuss every day. after all, debating religion with someone from the other side of the world is not something that most of us are able to do at the local cafe! it brings a welcome addition to my mental workouts at least! I agree, I think with any forum where open discussion is going to happen, these are two topics that will be broached. being able to do it in a sane civilized fashion is quite welcome. I think you got it right Florence, it is necessary

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Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

At the moment this thread is at the top of the announcements, and it's showing on the front page, so for the time being newcomers should be able to find it if they're interested enough in political and religious debate to read the thread.

Beyond that - maybe sticky this thread?

I dunno, it probably took me about a year to find my way into announcements, I guess I thought it was more technically oriented, and never really gave it a fair shake

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Originally Posted by neilmarr

***I do wonder how new people are to find it***

New people don't come here for reilious and political debate -- plenty of forums on the net dedicated to that -- but because they want to know about ereading devices, ereading and ewriting. Otherwise they'd have gone elsewhere. Neil

I have been to a lot of the "elsewhere" places. there are many that are slanted to one side or the other, whether it be politics or religion. getting differing viewpoints is difficult on those boards. then there are other boards that are pretty much "anything goes" boards and if you hold any view other than the prevailing "group think" position, you are subject to horrendous flaming. being able to discuss topics here with people who share a passion for reading, and are slightly more intelligent that perhaps many of these other boards is a welcome change of pace!

kacir · 10-25-2010, 12:16 PM

Great idea.
There is one little problem, however.
We know, at this moment that there is possibility to opt-in to the politics and religion serious debate.
New users, or users that do not follow Mobilerad as keenly as we do, they have no idea that there is possibility to opt in into this kind of discussion.

At minimum, you should ask new user when he registers whether [s]he wants to see this kind of discussion.
For existing users the situation is different. Perhaps you should send a private message or a visitor message to everybody informing them about change.
I would hazard a guess that most people wouldn't be interested, but still ...

ShortNCuddlyAm · 10-25-2010, 12:21 PM

Could it be made into a site banner announcement? I know they've been used for other things (competitions and the like). OPK - it won't solve the long term visibility of it, neccesarily, but it might help

Leep · 10-25-2010, 12:23 PM

I'm definitely in favor of this idea and commend the forum for coming up with such a fair solution. In the past, I have avoided Mobileread for long weeks just because of the "off topic" and arrogant and hostile tone of some posts.

Thanks for reminding us of the underlying focus that makes this forum great.

Tom Wood · 10-25-2010, 01:08 PM

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dsvick · 10-25-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The purpose of the Lounge, as its description says, is: "lighthearted banter and discussions unrelated to ebooks" (emphasis mine). This new forum certainly won't remove the role of the Lounge as a forum for serious debate; it simply move two specific subject areas (politics and religion) into their own forum. The Lounge will remain the place to discuss other subjects unrelated to ebooks.

You're right Harry, I probably should have said "hardened debaters of these more contentious subjects"

Bilbo1967 · 10-25-2010, 01:16 PM

So most serious discussion (outside of those two topics) will still be in the Lounge.

Would that make us denizens of the Lounge mass debaters?

Donnageddon · 10-25-2010, 01:19 PM

For some reason the term "hardened debaters" made me giggle. At least it is not named "Master Debaters", even if that might be more apropos.

I personally applaud this decision.

recluse · 10-25-2010, 01:52 PM

I think this is a wonderful idea.
Thanks to Alexander and the Mod Squad for a reasonable solution to an increasingly toxic problem.

:

Jon

SameOldStory · 10-25-2010, 02:08 PM

One of the things that has ticked me off has not only been the antireligious messages, but the constant insertion of them in areas where they weren't called for by a few people over and over again.

Unfortunately I've taken the bait too often and therefore contributed to the overall problem.

I don't think that this will please some but I, for one, am quite happy to see it all (hopefully) moved here. Thank you very much.

Dr. Drib · 10-25-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by neilmarr

Thanks. This is a big enough forum to get through without being sidetracked by subjects more effectively discussed in forums specifically dedicated to them. I belong to several that I visit when time allows. But MR must maintain its specialised focus just as these other subject-dedicated sites do.

That the threads in question may be of interest to writers and readers in certain spheres may be true, but where do we stop -- do we also discuss the morality of genetic engineering, gambling, fifteenth-century Armenian architecture, hypnosis, the validity of third encounter accounts from those who claim to have been abducted by aliens, how to prepare the perfect Elizabethan banquet, camping tips, martial arts, flower-arrangement, etc, etc, etc, too?

Opt-out as default is, I think, a wise and generous decision by the team.

Best wishes. Neil

Hmmmm...the "abducted by aliens" part sounds kind of interesting. Why, just the other day, whilst busy in the outhouse....[oh, sorry. Wrong Forum.]

Don

desertgrandma · 10-25-2010, 02:30 PM

I thank you. I actually unsubscribed from the entire lounge and considered just 'going away' because of all the buttons these posts were pushing.

MobileRead has too much to offer to lose members because some want to express their feelings at the expense of others, over and over again.

Great solution.

GA Russell · 10-25-2010, 03:40 PM

I think this is a great idea. I am a member of a jazz forum (organissimo.org) which adopted this policy some years ago, and it has worked out fine.

I particularly like the ease with which one can opt in and opt out. I can see myself usually "out", but "in" when someone's Election Day draws close.

10-25-2010, 12:02 PM	#62
CCDMan *** Posts: 335 Karma: 5759 Join Date: Mar 2006 Device: ***	Nice idea! I have, perhaps unfortunately, sometimes felt compelled to reply in some of those threads, especially when the religious fanatics start peddling their unsupported and unscientific beliefs. Generally I prefer to avoid those topics online, however, since they tend to raise one's blood pressure and they certainly solve no problems and change no-one's mind. This mechanism gives me an excuse to "just not go there" (literally) as some additional steps are involved. One could call it a sort-of forum version of "count to ten before speaking"! <g> Last edited by CCDMan; 10-26-2010 at 11:57 AM.

10-25-2010, 01:08 PM	#67
Tom Wood oddly human Posts: 82 Karma: 6872 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle	deleted Last edited by Tom Wood; 10-25-2010 at 06:22 PM.

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10-25-2010, 12:01 PM	#61
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis	I think this is a fair decision which might allow me to take the Lounge off ignore. My "Ignore Thread" finger was getting a callus.

10-25-2010, 12:16 PM	#64
kacir Wizard Posts: 3,456 Karma: 10484861 Join Date: May 2006 Device: PocketBook 360, before it was Sony Reader, cassiopeia A-20	Great idea. There is one little problem, however. We know, at this moment that there is possibility to opt-in to the politics and religion serious debate. New users, or users that do not follow Mobilerad as keenly as we do, they have no idea that there is possibility to opt in into this kind of discussion. At minimum, you should ask new user when he registers whether [s]he wants to see this kind of discussion. For existing users the situation is different. Perhaps you should send a private message or a visitor message to everybody informing them about change. I would hazard a guess that most people wouldn't be interested, but still ...

10-25-2010, 12:21 PM	#65
ShortNCuddlyAm WWHALD Posts: 7,879 Karma: 337114 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mitcham, Surrey, UK Device: iPad. Selling my silver 505 here	Could it be made into a site banner announcement? I know they've been used for other things (competitions and the like). OPK - it won't solve the long term visibility of it, neccesarily, but it might help

10-25-2010, 12:23 PM	#66
Leep Guru Posts: 739 Karma: 1018859 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Near Seattle Device: kindle1, K3, K3G (thanks MR), iTouch, Kindle Touch	I'm definitely in favor of this idea and commend the forum for coming up with such a fair solution. In the past, I have avoided Mobileread for long weeks just because of the "off topic" and arrogant and hostile tone of some posts. Thanks for reminding us of the underlying focus that makes this forum great.

10-25-2010, 01:16 PM	#69
Bilbo1967 Not scared! Posts: 13,424 Karma: 81011643 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Midlands, UK Device: Kindle Paperwhite 10, Huawei M5 10	So most serious discussion (outside of those two topics) will still be in the Lounge. Would that make us denizens of the Lounge mass debaters?

10-25-2010, 01:19 PM	#70
Donnageddon Now you lishen here... Posts: 2,494 Karma: 479498 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Seattle-ish Device: Sony PRS-650. Kobo Touch, Kindle Fire	For some reason the term "hardened debaters" made me giggle. At least it is not named "Master Debaters", even if that might be more apropos. I personally applaud this decision.

10-25-2010, 01:52 PM	#71
recluse Banned Posts: 3,724 Karma: 535488 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: the Mortuary Device: Kindle 2	I think this is a wonderful idea. Thanks to Alexander and the Mod Squad for a reasonable solution to an increasingly toxic problem. : Jon

10-25-2010, 02:08 PM	#72
SameOldStory My True Self Posts: 3,126 Karma: 66242098 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Trantor, Galactic Center Device: Galaxy Tab 2 7.0	One of the things that has ticked me off has not only been the antireligious messages, but the constant insertion of them in areas where they weren't called for by a few people over and over again. Unfortunately I've taken the bait too often and therefore contributed to the overall problem. I don't think that this will please some but I, for one, am quite happy to see it all (hopefully) moved here. Thank you very much.

10-25-2010, 02:30 PM	#74
desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	I thank you. I actually unsubscribed from the entire lounge and considered just 'going away' because of all the buttons these posts were pushing. MobileRead has too much to offer to lose members because some want to express their feelings at the expense of others, over and over again. Great solution.

10-25-2010, 03:40 PM	#75
GA Russell Argos win Grey Cup! Posts: 7,639 Karma: 31487351 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	I think this is a great idea. I am a member of a jazz forum (organissimo.org) which adopted this policy some years ago, and it has worked out fine. I particularly like the ease with which one can opt in and opt out. I can see myself usually "out", but "in" when someone's Election Day draws close.

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