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Thanks Kiwidude, you've answered my question even though I didn't phrase it correctly. What I wanted to know is if I it worked in conjunction with the kindles collection plugin to add the books to or delete books in a particular collection in relation to the list.
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The one possible area of "collection control" this plugin may now offer is that unlike Book Sync with this plugin you have the ability to add a tag/custom column value when you put a book in a list. I don't know this area of the Kindle Collections plugin very well as I don't use it, but I know meme's plugin allows you to create collections based on a custom column. So in theory you could tie the two together, by configuring a value to put in a column based on the Reading List you added it to and then have that list effectively become a collection on your Kindle. You would not want to automatically clear such a list though or your collection wouldnt last very long
Or so the theory goes - my own usage of Kindle Collections is extremely basic. I create automated collections based on author sort and that is all I want/need. |
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This is exactly what I do, and it works very well for me. In fact, that was my inspiration for initially suggesting that the two work together. I've been using the Collections plugin practically from day one, so when I discovered that the Reading Lists could assign tags, it was heavenly. Now that Sync is integrated into Lists, between that and Collections is a lot of power and a world of possible options.
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I'm confused; if I'm already using the "kindle collections" plugin, and if I setup this "reading list" plugin, and select the "kindle collections" column that I set up for collections, won't this plugin wipe it out?........I certainly don't want to mess up my current setup. Do I create a new/additional custom column, w/ some other title, for this "reading list" plugin?
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Basically, once it's all working together, you would use the Reading Lists to create a sync list, then you can specify whether or not it will run the collections plugin after syncing. It saves a step. |
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Yeah, I've currently got a "Kindle Collections" column, w/ a collection called "To Read List"........this plugin detects the column, and detects the "to read list", BUT it currently does nothing when I run it. I have 24 "To Read List" books on my Kindle, but this plugin, even after setting it up, and sync'd, says I have Zero (0) books in the To Read List collections............does this make sense? Is this what's not working right now, as you indicated?
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I think a good feature would be to add a checkbox to allow the list to stay intact AFTER syncing, but not sync again unless changes have been made. This way, if I want to look at the list in calibre, even after having sync'd it, it won't keep syncing, and triggering the collections plugin.
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My "Column to update:" is the Kindle Collections column My "Value in Column to add/remove is the To Read List So, this plugin should still list the 24 books that have this value, but it doesn't.....confused My Default List Books is empty (no books) Last edited by markdek; 06-09-2011 at 03:52 PM. |
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To clarify something that may be getting missed here, the plugin tracks the books it places in the list - it's not actually tracking the tags except for the purpose of removing them if you've got it set to clear the list after syncing. It won't automatically pick up the books that have that tag if you didn't actually add them to the list via the plugin. But if you are using the plugin to add them to the list and they still aren't showing, that's something else entirely. Let me know which it is, and I can try to help you get things where you want them. |
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Yup: ......the books [were] already tagged prior to using [and installing] Lists
FYI: I selected Collections [a pre-existing one], and not Tags Yup, so, that would explain it...........I assume. My potential problem w/ this is that if I use my Kindle to add a book to the To Read List (Collection), list, then, as you say, this plugin will not detect this change. Is that true? If true, this plugin is pushing/pulling list values, not syncing values [w/ the database]. . Last edited by markdek; 06-09-2011 at 04:27 PM. |
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Right now there's no duplicate-checking to poll for "new items", so it syncs the whole list. If you don't keep a lot of books on your Kindle, that's not such a problem, but if you do (like me) it can slow things down considerably. I keep separate lists, not only because of this, but because I use them for different things, as somewhat described in this post. Nyna does something similar, as described in the post following that one. |
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Because of this, anything changing on one or the other requires some sort of polling process to detect changes and compare them with the Library. Collections can do this with the collections.json file, which is how it can be used to manually edit collections on the Kindle, and also import collections from the Kindle to calibre. But there is a limit to how much of this can be done while still maintaining any degree of efficiency. Now that I've bored you with that, I would recommend the old-fashioned manual method for getting your lists in sync with your tags - filter your books on the tags and add them to the appropriate list. Repeat as necessary. This probably seems like a lot of work, and it can be, but my experience has been that once you get things in place, it soon starts to increase your efficiency. You might have to get out of the habit of manipulating your collections using the Kindle. I know, it's a trade off. Which is why only you can decide the point at which it is no longer efficient to use a given plugin for what you need to do. Since you've just recently made the move to manage the entire set with calibre, there will be some trial and error as you find what works best for you. And I, and several others, are always here to help. Since some of the recent plugin changes are basically my fault, I'm happy to provide whatever support I can to any and all that run into issues. Feel free to PM me if you want to get into a detailed look at your workflow or work out the kinks in the process. I don't mind at all, and as an organizing maniac, I enjoy putting my obsession to good use. |
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