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2) Many Apple consumers are "Sh-----" Answer me this: Is it then OK to make statement 1 but not statement 2? --Pat Last edited by PatNY; 11-18-2012 at 08:47 AM. |
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Lots of people have brought up all sorts of justifications as to why it isn't a copy, but they relate to details that are effectively grasping at straws. One person even mentioned the logo FFS! People's stubbornness to accept that they have ripped off so many of the Apple's design features (look at the tablet vs the iPad - the only evident different is the proportions) is really unhelpful. What do people get out of denying some of the most obvious things? I'm not anti-Samsung, as I have been careful to stress, but ignoring basic IP theft is just wrong, and it sets a dangerous precedent. It means that there is no protection for a company who spends a lot of time and money developing a product, from someone stealing their ideas. The issue is clouded for a lot of people by the fact that it is Apple involved, the richest company in the world. If it was the Nest thermostat that had been ripped off by a large Chinese or Korean company, I suspect the vast majority of people (particularly in the US) would be justifiable incensed. A small, innovative US company producing a truly new and ground breaking product effectively having its lunch stolen by an unscrupulous foreign competitor. They would be right there cheering for the little guy. Quote:
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If you had heard about the iPhone and went to a shop and saw this, you might well end up buying a different phone to one you intended. That is what Apple have claimed. Also, look at this. If you look at it quickly, you might well think you are looking at an Apple device. You could also say that if you have to place two devices side by side to tell the difference, that's tantamount to saying that they are so similar that you have to do this. As the court case has proved, you don't have to copy every single detail in every way such that something is indistinguishable, for it to be a copy. The US court has judged that the one device clearly breaches the law in relation to IP theft, to the extent that it levied a huge fine. I agree with the points raised regarding patenting visual design, but regardless of whether the law is right, the court judgement was absolutely right. We've had many posts in effect arguing that they were wrong and it wasn't a copy. My posts have been to try to persuade the deniers exactly how and why they are wrong and that stealing ideas or designs is the same as stealing physical objects. Fundamentally there are a *lot* of fundamental similarities which Samsung could easily have changed to differentiate their product, the same way as all the other Android phones have done (HTC were making elegant phones long before Apple), yet they didn't, and there are too many to plausibly deny the copying accusation. Come on, be fair - basic design, shape, proportions, interface, icons, charger, packaging. They even ripped off the OSX iTunes icon, for their music player icon. This is something that Apple got wrong in their court case. They claim Samsung copied the iPhone music icon, which is silly. They didn't - they copied the OS X iTunes icon instead! |
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The fact that I am an Apple customer doesn't change the fact that I agree with both points, but it also doesn't change the fact that the second term is perjorative. |
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Yes, as similar claims have been around the world.
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I would guess that because of the importance of Samsung as a supplier they tried to resolve it quietly first, but that is only a guess. |
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Also bear in mind that I agree with you with regard to TouchWiz. I said above that I felt Samsung should be penalised for this. They were clearly trying to move their UI feel closer to the look and feel of iOS. Graham |
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There is no patent for errorless UI screens, legible type, or uncluttered space. Oh, unless you're Apple and you think you can get away with patenting anything under the sun. And I never said that Samsung "was only correcting errors." Read again. I said that in those first 10 instances in the document, two were corrections of errors, and another 4 were increasing legibility or uncluttering screen space. And that therefore based on those first 10 examples, you mischaracterized the nature of the document. Quote:
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