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I don't know if it would help get more posts or not, but we could try starting the discussion threads just after the winners are chosen and see how that works. I know that would take away from giving everyone time to read the book before we start discussing it, but it might get a few more posts since it'd be open longer. If Tom or everyone doesn't want to though I can definitely understand that.
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We have the literary book club. That one can do the older less modern books. This one should be doing more modern books.
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I would say though, if we do it, maybe have a rule that lists must have a certain number of categories that are different from any specific previous yearly list that we used. Otherwise, I could see someone nominating the exact same categories and having them win again. Personally, I wouldn't mind that, but I know you and some others want some new categories, and so I know how annoying that might be for some if that happened. |
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There are also many older books that are not "literary" that the main club could discuss. H.G. Wells, Sherlock Holmes, H. Rider Haggard's Quatermain books, the Oz books are all books that don't necessarily fit into the literary club but would fit in here just fine in several genre categories but aren't modern. |
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I'm okay with either of the two options. The 30 categories vote would need a method for figuring out what to do in the (un)likely event of a tie near the bottom.
I also like the everyone who wants to nominate their own list of categories with what the categories mean. Give people a month to draw up their recommendations and then a month to vote. We have lots of time to come up with next year's categories. I would error on the side of letting people think about it and seeing how a few more of the current categories months fare in participation before jumping down a plan. |
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We are getting off topic, but...
I don't think you have an accurate assessment of the literary club. From the last couple open nomination periods only 2 of the 5 poetry nominations were written before 1990 and only 1 of the 6 nominations from the Southeast Asia selections were before 1980. From the rotating nominations they are very dependent on what theme the nominator chooses. Billi nominated 8 older works, but HomeInMyShoes nominated only 2 out of 17 that were written before 1980. Their recent numbers don't support your theory. Quote:
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Back on topic...I think for the main book club the problem has been trying to read books that are difficult to read or depressing rather than fun books to read. I wasn't at all interested in reading Dubliners or The Grapes of Wrath in this club because they are just not fun books to read. Excellent writing and stories (so "they" say), but just not at all fun. |
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I've always been a bit of an outlier in both clubs. I have yet to nominate a work to be read.
Canada's history is relatively recent so that made the selection necessarily a bit more modern. Given the relative availability of works pre a certain period for anyone outside of a Canadian library also pushed me to be a bit more modern. That said I don't think it would have altered my selections much. Maybe one or two works. |
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I joked about us needing a mission statement earlier. I didn't think it would actually happen.
The best books affect me in some way. That can be sorrow, joy, insights into life, relatable experiences or even just pure escapism. The hardest part about books is that the reader is as much a part of the quality of the book as the writer. The book is dead until the reader with their experiences and their context for reading it picks it up. I know that some books that I read and didn't like that much were just read at the wrong time. I also know that some books that I loved were loved because they were what I needed at the time and not so much that their quality was any better than the one I didn't like. Arguing aesthetics never works. Everyone is equally right and wrong. What we want is people reading and discussing books. We have great discussions on getting books nominated, but less so on the actual books themselves. Part of that might be missing the mark with what people want to read, but we'll have that issue no matter what the categories are. As long as people are having fun and finding things to read I believe the club is successful. I guess that's why I put more credence in nomination and voting numbers than in book discussion. I certainly understand the importance of discussion for some. It sucks to read a book and have no one to discuss it with, even if all we have to say is that was tiresome or that made me laugh so hard. |
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Actually, my views have changed a little since I made that category suggestion. I do really like Tom's suggestion and choosing that way we'd end up with a cohesive list for the year. While I like the categories we have now, some don't make sense taken as a whole. For instance, we have Science Fiction but no Fantasy. If we use my idea from the last category vote that you're proposing, something similar could happen. However, if more people and Tom prefer to do it the way you're suggesting then I'm on board (after all, I did come up with the idea so I should like it ). |
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^I figured that was my only in.
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At this point though, I will be satisfied with however we end up doing this. It is time for some churning of the categories in one way or another and I am enjoying the discussion regardless. Oops. I knew that sounded wrong, but I think the point stands. I do intend to try both Miéville and Murakami here in the future though and from what I have heard they could both go into the literary or main clubs. |
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