Piracy: And the impressions the publishing industry hold of e-books/ers. - Page 3

slayda · 10-13-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slayda

We're being ripped off by the publishers with ebooks but are they called "priates", "theives", or any such emotional words. They have the big bucks and lobby to make "piracy laws" so that what they do is legal "stealing".

Apparently many people missed my main point.

ElaHuguet · 10-13-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

I'd just like Baen to remove the "entertainment" tag from their websites so that I can get to them through the draconian filter my employer fired up last Friday -- how Dilbertesque is it that I can 't get to Dilbert because comics are all tagged as entertainment and they've blocked all entertainment sites?

Websense? Sigh, I know what that is!!

Funniest part is, it keeps blocking access to the sites I need to purchase company stuff from.

NatCh · 10-13-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ElaHuguet

Websense?

Could be, they don't really explain such things.

It just throws up a page with my employer's logo and a form message on it:

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Originally Posted by Stupid Blocker Package

YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACCESS A PROHIBITED SITE!.

In order to protect the XXXXXX from potential threats, enable the appropriate allocation of resources and demonstrate the institution's due diligence in securing its assets, the site that you are attempting to access has been blocked. These measures help guard the confidentiality, integrity and availability of XXXXXX resources, and enable the institution to fulfill its business objectives.

URL:

http://www.baen.com/

Category:

Entertainment

If you believe that access to this site is directly related to XXXXXX's mission and to your business function at XXXXXX, you may click on this link.

Your request will be sent to the institution's Information Security Workgroup for review.

ElaHuguet · 10-13-2006, 02:44 PM

Ah, well it says almost the same as mine (albeit mine is in Spanish, hehe), but not quite... but I think that text part is configurable (sp?). Thankfully, except for the REALLY prohibited pages (such as "entertainment"), most have a "I am using this site for work" Continue button, which I use mercilessly, but this also buggers up any transaction I was going through, and it keeps popping up every four pages in the site, so it takes a bit of sly handling to actually be able to book my boss' flights, for example.

NatCh · 10-13-2006, 02:51 PM

Wow, they hit the travel stuff too? That is nasty.

We don't get the option to continue, but we can try to explain to them why we need whatever it is for work -- I think I can make a good case for Dilbert.

Officially they allow/ignore what they call "incidental usage" (I'm glad MR fits in there!), I may be able to convince them that my comics aren't nearly as huge a bandwidth hog as youtube was, which is the sort of stuff they were really after -- seeking the lowest effort solution, you know.

rlauzon · 10-13-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rmeister0

I will certainly agree that this is the case, and probably contributes more to the confusion over this discussion than anything else. Unfortunately the software model of licensed, not sold, has carried over into other venues.

I have absolutely no trouble with licensing for something I don't intend to keep forever and for which the price is reasonable. Yet there are also some things I want to keep and use indefinitely and for these things I still rely on paper books, CDs and DVDs. Divx was a piss-poor implementation of an even worse business model, and I fear that in the future all intellectual property will be distributed in some similar manner.

It's not licening that I have an issue with. It's the misrepresentation of licensing as purchase.

Obviously, you wouldn't pay $20 to rent a DVD, since you can purchase one for that price. Also you don't lease a car at the purchase price. So why would someone license an eBook for the hardcover purchase price?

My stand is that most people would not - but because some eBookstores misrepresent the transaction as a "purchase", many people do.

ElaHuguet · 10-14-2006, 04:18 AM

I have the lucky position of sitting within hailing distance (two desks) from the administrator of the bloody program (who's a nice guy just doing his job

) so I can shout "oh hell, this one's blocked too, open up 'ebay' for me!", or send him an instant message with the culprit page. Since I have to do a lot of browsing in all sorts of places for my job... hehehe.

I'm actually the secretary of the IT dept., so I don't give user support normally, but some people, you know, just ring up "IT" and don't notice the difference. The CEO's secretary rang once and started off the convo with "I have two elephants...", which had me so busily thinking "WHAT??? Where does she keep them??" I almost missed the rest of the sentence, LOL. Turned out she sponsors them, and gets monthly reports on their wellbeing and so on... Websense was cutting off her access to these reports, so she says "well, I know it's personal and not business matters, but I want/need to see it!!"

Bob Russell · 10-14-2006, 10:48 AM

Well, Nathan, it seems you need to get to know the guy with the "keys." Maybe you should take him to lunch! ;-)

NatCh · 10-14-2006, 03:49 PM

Place is a bit bigger than Ela's described workplace, and I'm a bit farther away from them -- I'd have to take out most of the department, and probably the CIO ... probably ~50 people ... maybe a 'Holiday' party....

ElaHuguet · 10-17-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Place is a bit bigger than Ela's described workplace, and I'm a bit farther away from them -- I'd have to take out most of the department, and probably the CIO ... probably ~50 people ... maybe a 'Holiday' party....

We're actually 30 something in our dept., but I happen to sit next to the sys admins, good place to be.

Xiaopanda · 07-21-2009, 03:19 AM

Sorry,

But I got to say if you are getting your books from Torrents / scanned archives etc... you have to admit to your self you are (likely) using an illegal copy, no matter how it may go down in a court of law.

Not going either way on this score, just pointing out the obvious .

The rest is just to make ourselves feel better about what we're doing, it's still less than legal....moral is another kettle of fish (probaly something like smoked Haddock, I'm guessing)

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10-13-2006, 02:44 PM	#34
ElaHuguet iLiad freak Posts: 339 Karma: 243 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mallorca, Spain Device: iRex iLiad	Ah, well it says almost the same as mine (albeit mine is in Spanish, hehe), but not quite... but I think that text part is configurable (sp?). Thankfully, except for the REALLY prohibited pages (such as "entertainment"), most have a "I am using this site for work" Continue button, which I use mercilessly, but this also buggers up any transaction I was going through, and it keeps popping up every four pages in the site, so it takes a bit of sly handling to actually be able to book my boss' flights, for example.

10-13-2006, 02:51 PM	#35
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Wow, they hit the travel stuff too? That is nasty. We don't get the option to continue, but we can try to explain to them why we need whatever it is for work -- I think I can make a good case for Dilbert. Officially they allow/ignore what they call "incidental usage" (I'm glad MR fits in there!), I may be able to convince them that my comics aren't nearly as huge a bandwidth hog as youtube was, which is the sort of stuff they were really after -- seeking the lowest effort solution, you know.

10-14-2006, 04:18 AM	#37
ElaHuguet iLiad freak Posts: 339 Karma: 243 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mallorca, Spain Device: iRex iLiad	I have the lucky position of sitting within hailing distance (two desks) from the administrator of the bloody program (who's a nice guy just doing his job ) so I can shout "oh hell, this one's blocked too, open up 'ebay' for me!", or send him an instant message with the culprit page. Since I have to do a lot of browsing in all sorts of places for my job... hehehe. I'm actually the secretary of the IT dept., so I don't give user support normally, but some people, you know, just ring up "IT" and don't notice the difference. The CEO's secretary rang once and started off the convo with "I have two elephants...", which had me so busily thinking "WHAT??? Where does she keep them??" I almost missed the rest of the sentence, LOL. Turned out she sponsors them, and gets monthly reports on their wellbeing and so on... Websense was cutting off her access to these reports, so she says "well, I know it's personal and not business matters, but I want/need to see it!!"

10-14-2006, 10:48 AM	#38
Bob Russell Recovering Gadget Addict Posts: 5,381 Karma: 676161 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Device: iPad	Well, Nathan, it seems you need to get to know the guy with the "keys." Maybe you should take him to lunch! ;-)

10-14-2006, 03:49 PM	#39
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Place is a bit bigger than Ela's described workplace, and I'm a bit farther away from them -- I'd have to take out most of the department, and probably the CIO ... probably ~50 people ... maybe a 'Holiday' party....

07-21-2009, 03:19 AM	#41
Xiaopanda Addict Posts: 230 Karma: 1290 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Device: Kindle Paperwhite	Sorry, But I got to say if you are getting your books from Torrents / scanned archives etc... you have to admit to your self you are (likely) using an illegal copy, no matter how it may go down in a court of law. Not going either way on this score, just pointing out the obvious . The rest is just to make ourselves feel better about what we're doing, it's still less than legal....moral is another kettle of fish (probaly something like smoked Haddock, I'm guessing)

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