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Many people contributing to this thread are arguing a viewpoint regarding "Is it right or wrong to ban books that advocate the LGBT lifestyle?" But that's not the question here. The question is "Do the taxpayers who provide the money for the library to operate have a say in what the library does with their money?" These are two separate and distinct questions. I am arguing that "Yes, the taxpayers have a say." And if you can believe the news report, they have chosen what they want by a strong majority. Twice. I may think those taxpayers have made a decision that is contrary to my beliefs, but I also think that they have a right to make that decision. However shortsighted or self-serving it may be. I could say this same thing about many states in this last election as well. My thoughts may be "Wow, those voters are idiots!" But it's their state, their vote. I can certainly play armchair quarterback, but the reality is, I'm not in the game, I have zero say in how it is played or its outcome. I'm can only express my opinion of how the game was played. But that doesn't change anything. Nor should it. |
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LGBT lifestyle? Really? Anyway...
56% to 44% isn't a strong majority. And you have to imagine that some percentage of the defund votes are Libertarian leaning people that just don't want to fund anything, as has happened with school districts. |
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Seriously, calling it a "lifestyle" is not really any different than putting "the" in front of gays. Change it to a different word and you see just how discriminatory it is. |
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I did not realize that the word "lifestyle" is considered offensive now. Sorry about that. Sometimes it's a little hard to keep up when you're not part of a particular community. Can someone tell me the more acceptable way to write the sentence that I did?
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I'm not sure you can correct it. In addition to reducing being gay to a "lifestyle", you've also unfortunately implied that LGBTQ characters in books must be " advocating" being LGBTQ rather than merely going about their day in their story. You've also implied that you're somehow not part of a community that contains LGBTQ people. *shrug*
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That is neither a point of shame nor a point of pride for me. It is just a description of my situation. It boggles my mind that you could not understand what I meant, and went off on some silly tangent of "not part of a community that contains LGBT people. To use your own words ... *shrug* Let me ask you this: If someone makes a mistake, asks how to be better next time, and then gets attacked for asking ... is that more likely to (1) invite them into the group at hand, or (2) repel them from it? If you want to gain friends and supporters, you kind of have to be friendly and supportive back. |
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What boggles my mind is your suggestion that being heterosexual somehow excludes you from knowing how to speak to/about LBGTQ people without offense. I'm also heterosexual and still manage to pull it off. |
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What boggles my mind is that your knowledge on this somehow excludes you from knowing how to speak to the less knowledgeable without offense.
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I think you raised some hackles because the word "lifestyle" implies choice. As far as we know, homosexuals cannot change their sexual attractions any more than heterosexuals can. We were all born a certain way, and currently it's impossible to change it, even if we wanted to. As such, you can't call it a lifestyle, which suggests that you've chosen it from a range of possible options. It's like saying somebody is living a "left-handed lifestyle". It makes no sense, since you're born either right- or left-handed and have no say in the matter. Sexuality is an aspect of who you are, not just something you do.
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To me "lifestyle" is neutral in regards to choice. It didn't sound particularly offensive to me. Others may not see it that way.
On the other hand I am hetero and have LGBTQ friends. The idea of us being in separate communities is strange to me. |
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Could I ask what opinion I expressed that was offensive to the LGBT community? I now understand that my word choice of "lifestyle" was offensive, but that was an ignorant word choice, not an opinion. The opinion I was attempting to express in this thread is that I think taxpayers have a right to determine how their tax money is used. My opinion on that would be the same if we were talking about books on LGBT, or skin color, or overweight people, or old people. I may disagree with banning those books (an I do disagree if you really want to know), but that does not change my opinion that those paying for a service should be able to direct what that service does, even if I don't like the direction being promoted/shutdown.
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