Kindle Paperwhite 2-Voyage Software Update 5.6.5 - Page 3

mystika1 · 08-10-2015, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josieb1

I don't understand the fuss about Bookerly, it's too light for me. I can't use it on either the Fires or my Voyage.

Yep..I like to read bolder fonts. I will never understand why amazon won't put at least one really dark font on their kindle and fire tablets.

Penny

haydnfan · 08-10-2015, 07:42 PM

I figured it out. I have dozens of ebooks that supposedly have enhanced typesetting. But in truth, only two actually do.

For example

If you click here you'll clearly see that Bonehunters is supposed to have enhanced typesetting. It does not. It has neither hyphenation at small font sizes nor ragged right justification at large font sizes.

But if you click here you will also see that Prince of Thorns is supposed to have enhanced typesetting. It does. It has both hyphenation at small font sizes and ragged right justification at large font sizes.

I would like clarification on what it actually means to say that enhanced typesetting is enabled. I would like to know if others have plenty of ebooks that are supposed to have the typesetting but do not actually.

This is greatly disappointing. Why couldn't amazon just come up with a simple option in the font menu?

haydnfan · 08-10-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Atunah

You have to delete the books off the kindle and re-download. At least that is what I had to do with 2 I tried. I don't know about ragged right though, I wouldn't like that anyway. It has hyphenation now.

I really thought that would be the answer, but it wasn't. Thanks though.

Atunah · 08-10-2015, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by haydnfan

I really thought that would be the answer, but it wasn't. Thanks though.

Sorry that didn't work for you. I only tried with 2 books so far myself, taking screenshots each time to see before typesetting and after.
I can tell you that with new typeset the ragged right edge is at size 7 and 8. 1-6 are non ragged.

If I understand the ragged correctly that is.

tomsem · 08-10-2015, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haydnfan

I figured it out. I have dozens of ebooks that supposedly have enhanced typesetting. But in truth, only two actually do.

For example

If you click here you'll clearly see that Bonehunters is supposed to have enhanced typesetting. It does not. It has neither hyphenation at small font sizes nor ragged right justification at large font sizes.

But if you click here you will also see that Prince of Thorns is supposed to have enhanced typesetting. It does. It has both hyphenation at small font sizes and ragged right justification at large font sizes.

I would like clarification on what it actually means to say that enhanced typesetting is enabled. I would like to know if others have plenty of ebooks that are supposed to have the typesetting but do not actually.

This is greatly disappointing. Why couldn't amazon just come up with a simple option in the font menu?

It seems the list of 'books with enhanced typesetting' is not accurate.

Have we any idea what is actually different (in terms of HTML/CSS) about these books?

patrickt · 08-10-2015, 09:23 PM

Removing a book with typesetting enabled from my device and downloading it again does activate the typesetting feature. I check the book on my Voyage and there's no hyphenation. I removed it from the device, download it, and there is the hyphenation.

In checking, most of the books I checked did not have the typesetting feature enabled. That might be because they're older books.

I don't know if Kindle changed the Bookerly fond or not but on my PW3, I had gone back to Helvetica because Bookerly was too light for me. Now, it isn't. Could be changed, could be expectation.

barryem · 08-10-2015, 09:39 PM

My current book says it doesn't have enhanced typesetting enabled but I can't really tell any difference in the way it looks and the way books that do have it enabled look. I also tried downloading a personal doc and it didn't have hyphenation so presumably no enhanced typesetting.

I wonder whether enabling enhanced font isn't what gives hyphenation. Maybe it allows other features such as ligatures. I didn't find ligatures in any of the books so far so I can't be sure.

I think it's too soon to conclude that the list is inaccurate. It may be but I think we have to know more.

Barry

jhowell · 08-10-2015, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt

Removing a book with typesetting enabled from my device and downloading it again does activate the typesetting feature. I check the book on my Voyage and there's no hyphenation. I removed it from the device, download it, and there is the hyphenation.

It would be interesting to save a copy of a book before and after updating to see what changes internally to enable the enhanced features.

haydnfan · 08-10-2015, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atunah

Sorry that didn't work for you. I only tried with 2 books so far myself, taking screenshots each time to see before typesetting and after.
I can tell you that with new typeset the ragged right edge is at size 7 and 8. 1-6 are non ragged.

If I understand the ragged correctly that is.

I found that too. Left justified at sizes 7-8 and full justified with hyphenation at sizes 1-6.

SCION · 08-10-2015, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt

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I don't know if Kindle changed the Bookerly fond or not but on my PW3, I had gone back to Helvetica because Bookerly was too light for me. Now, it isn't. Could be changed, could be expectation.

Hhmmmm, it does look darker. Interesting.

SCION · 08-10-2015, 11:20 PM

I should have never redownloaded two books. Now I have hyphens, but the narrowest margin setting now looks too wide!!! What the heck is going on?

FizzyWater · 08-11-2015, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ripplinger

I'm with you on this, Caecelia is still a better font to me, it's a bit darker and thicker than Bookerly.

If you install the upgrade, can you still use Caecelia if you want?

johnnyb · 08-11-2015, 01:19 AM

Will the advanced typesetting work on personal documents?

HarryT · 08-11-2015, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FizzyWater

If you install the upgrade, can you still use Caecelia if you want?

Of course you can. You can select any font, just as you could before.

dordale · 08-11-2015, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FizzyWater

If you install the upgrade, can you still use Caecelia if you want?

Yup--the update just adds Bookerly as another font option--it doesn't replace any of the existing fonts. You will still have the option to use "publisher font" if you want to use a font you've embedded into your book.

08-10-2015, 09:23 PM	#36
patrickt Wizard Posts: 1,221 Karma: 8381518 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico Device: Paperwhite 4 X 2	Removing a book with typesetting enabled from my device and downloading it again does activate the typesetting feature. I check the book on my Voyage and there's no hyphenation. I removed it from the device, download it, and there is the hyphenation. In checking, most of the books I checked did not have the typesetting feature enabled. That might be because they're older books. I don't know if Kindle changed the Bookerly fond or not but on my PW3, I had gone back to Helvetica because Bookerly was too light for me. Now, it isn't. Could be changed, could be expectation. Last edited by patrickt; 08-10-2015 at 09:25 PM.

08-10-2015, 11:20 PM	#41
SCION Séduisant Posts: 4,706 Karma: 2107018 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas, USA Device: Boox Note Air2+; Kobo Libra2; Kindle Scribe, Oasis3; iPad Mini6	I should have never redownloaded two books. Now I have hyphens, but the narrowest margin setting now looks too wide!!! What the heck is going on? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by SCION; 08-10-2015 at 11:30 PM.

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08-10-2015, 07:42 PM	#32
haydnfan Guru Posts: 649 Karma: 5632362 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: Kindle PW 4, Oasis 2	I figured it out. I have dozens of ebooks that supposedly have enhanced typesetting. But in truth, only two actually do. For example If you click here you'll clearly see that Bonehunters is supposed to have enhanced typesetting. It does not. It has neither hyphenation at small font sizes nor ragged right justification at large font sizes. But if you click here you will also see that Prince of Thorns is supposed to have enhanced typesetting. It does. It has both hyphenation at small font sizes and ragged right justification at large font sizes. I would like clarification on what it actually means to say that enhanced typesetting is enabled. I would like to know if others have plenty of ebooks that are supposed to have the typesetting but do not actually. This is greatly disappointing. Why couldn't amazon just come up with a simple option in the font menu?

08-10-2015, 09:39 PM	#37
barryem Wizard Posts: 2,459 Karma: 68781975 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Arkansas Device: Paperwhite 4	My current book says it doesn't have enhanced typesetting enabled but I can't really tell any difference in the way it looks and the way books that do have it enabled look. I also tried downloading a personal doc and it didn't have hyphenation so presumably no enhanced typesetting. I wonder whether enabling enhanced font isn't what gives hyphenation. Maybe it allows other features such as ligatures. I didn't find ligatures in any of the books so far so I can't be sure. I think it's too soon to conclude that the list is inaccurate. It may be but I think we have to know more. Barry

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