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Because, adobe DRM work almost everywhere. The best would be no DRM, but a monoply there mean interoperabillity for the user. It's the lesser evil.
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I understand about different implementations of a spec. I'm wondering how this impacts today's Calibre users. |
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Calibre's ePub output is compatible with the quirks, bugs and gotchas of ADE because ADE is the most widely used (world wide) software for displaying ePub. Most Readers use ADE and most apps/programs use ADE.
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That moved the support burden to the coders of non-ADE based apps and made ADE the de-facto standard implementation; if Adobe code rendered it well it was a good epub. If it didn't--even if it passed all validation suites and adhered to the spec--it wasn't. Eventually things settled down so that it is relatively rare to run into epubs that are different enough they won't open or are radically different from what a pure Adobe product (from InDesign to ADE) looks like. Not sure how much it matters today since the field has been weeded and most epub readers toe the Adobe spec. Generic ereader gadgets are almost all based on Adobe code. You might get "quirks" here and there but most epubs will at least open everywhere. (Except the proprietary variants from Apple, Nook, and Kobo that are only readable in *their* reading apps. But those are clearly identified as iBooks, Kepubs, Nook Kids, etc.) Most ereader devices either license Adobe code or do without epub support. (Kindle, obviously; but also the Jetbook Lite comes to mind.) Since it's a cost everybody incurs in the epub world it has little effect these days. But it does make adoption of non-Adobe DRM for epubs a bit less likely since most device builders would rather go with the devil they know. Path of least resistance... Whether this will repeat with epub3 will have to wait on a full epub3 implementation from Adobe. Assuming epub3 ever gets that far. |
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For most vendors it means it's cheaper to license ADE than code their own rendering engine. And the ADEPT DRM comes along as an added "feature". Which brings us back where we started. Generic epub is (pretty much) Adobe epub. ![]() Last edited by fjtorres; 01-20-2013 at 07:44 AM. |
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Why Adobe? Because Santa Fe, New Mexico central city ordinance requires you to build in a style mimicking traditional adobe architecture.
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Why Adobe? That's an easy answer. Because of the DRM. Adobe was the one to come up with DRM for ePub.
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As for why Adobe? Because:
As an added bonus, ADEPT DRM is very trivial to crack, making it more acceptable to end users. Meaning people like me are more likely to buy from Adobe-based (Sony, Kobo, etc) or Adobe-like (Nook) sellers than non-Adobe-based sellers (aka, Apple) because it's trivial to liberate any DRMed purchases. |
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At this point, eReading.com will be an ADE-based store with as many DRM-free titles as we can offer. Unfortunately, as most people here know, publishers are the ones--for the most part--requiring DRM.
If, as Toddos said, it is really that easy to crack ADE DRM, then it seems pointless for the publishers to keep insisting upon including it. It seems to me that this will only encourage piracy rather than prevent it. We elected to go as DRM-free as we could based not upon any possible competitive advantage, but because we want to be a truly reader-centric bookstore. Our focus is on making the buying process as easy and seamless as possible, and to provide people with the ability to take their books and read them outside of our app, PocketReader. I speak on ebook panels at conventions quite a bit, and the overwhelming feedback I get is that people just don't want DRM. Amazon likes DRM not because it protects their content, but because it locks the majority of their customers into that infrastructure. I don't care for that business model, and I don't want our customers to have to deal with that mindset either. |
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Anybody who wishes can buy a Kindle and feed it solely from PD or DRM-free purchases from other sites of which there is no shortage. Their biggest crime is not worshipping at the altar of "universal epub". A church of limited credibility in these days of kepubs, iBooks, and Nook Kids (to say nothing of KF8) that are all nominally epub-derived but not interoperable. There will always be room for generics in ebooks but the direction the big ebookstores are all headed in is for house brands instead of the white-wrapped generic product. Mainstream consumers don't care enough about interoperability to make buying decisions based solely on it. |
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It's us nerds that care about such things, and even then there are things like Apprentice Alf's tools to ease the pain. We may grumble, but in the end we don't really care; to us, the walls of the walled gardens are so low as to be almost nonexistent. |
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Let's not ignore Apple. They are significant (15% US share, international 30-50 countries) and growing share faster than the market, mostly from *casual* readers that aren't likely dedicated reader gadget buyers. Typical Apple customer just sees iBooks, downloads a few freebies--maybe likes it maybe not. Goes on to playing Angry Birds or the fad du jour in between Facebooking sessions. (They go on with their life with no great epiphany.) ![]() Next time they get a hankering for a read (maybe twice a year) they pop up iBooks. No muss, no fuss--no big deal. To them. But those casual readers on iOS, Android, and WinPhone are the near-term future of ebooks. The biggest growth remaining in the *current* US market is casual readers. That is why tablets and smartphones are getting so much attention from Amazon, B&N, and even Kobo. Sell the gadget on games and video and hope for a trickle of incremental book sales. Last edited by fjtorres; 01-22-2013 at 08:26 AM. |
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