10-04-2012, 10:40 PM | #31 |
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Yeah Capacitive screens show alot of fingerprints. On the KF they look like shadows when reading. I keep a cloth by me to wipe it down just before I go into a book.
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10-04-2012, 10:45 PM | #32 |
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So why would Amazon switch from IR TO capacitance and all those fingerprints? The benefit of IR is no extra layer and very good when dealing with fingerprints because of the rink screen. I'm interested in how the new Kobo is with fingerprints since it still uses IR touch. This seems a step backwards (IMHO).
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10-04-2012, 11:35 PM | #33 | |
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I still fail to understand why the (technical) method of determining touches (IR vs capacitive) would affect the (optical) visibility of fingerprints. Is it because the capacitive screens actually require a physical press - thereby necessarily leaving some traces - whereas the IR method could (in principle, if you're careful enough) work without ever actually touching the screen? Still, I've physically touched my KT screen many many times, and I don't see any noticeable fingerprints. Why should that be different on the PW? (Maybe it's the light, I don't know). |
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10-04-2012, 11:37 PM | #34 | |
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The downside is fingerprints but there are more pros than con using a Capacitive screen. |
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10-05-2012, 12:24 AM | #35 |
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I don't really notice fingerprints. The bezel itself though, yikes. Why couldn't they use a textured surface like K3?
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10-05-2012, 12:47 AM | #36 |
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Agreed. The bezel is seriously distracting. Is attracts oil like a magnet. Perhaps with time this will change, but a matte finish would have been preferable, or perhaps a not-true-black color.
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10-09-2012, 03:30 PM | #37 |
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To me, the black "ink" on my k3 is darker. It's faded on my pw by comparison. This more than anything else bothers me about the pw screen. I think the blotches are a problem that will be fixed (or already fixed), but that lighter text may be inherent to the pw.
I think a reason that pw text looks blurry to OP is pw seems to use more anti-aliasing than the k3. Odd considering that you'd expect to need LESS anti-aliasing with higher resolution. I also notice that my pw with light off has a darker background than my k3 in a normal bright room. In fact, I need to turn up the light to about 9 or 10 on the pw to make the backgrounds match. Obviously the pw wins in term of background when I turn up the light even more. So what I make of this: 1) maybe I just have an unusually good k3 screen and unusually bad pw screen, or 2) the additional light diffuser and touch layers degrade the eink screen picture quality, or 3) the new screens aren't as good, or at least we are not seeing a good batch. The k4b screens are reportedly better than the k4s, even though amazon isn't claiming any improvement. OTOH, I recall a rep from eink saying the pearl screen is capable of some insane resolution. It's the controller that determines the practical resolution. So maybe the screen is still the same. Heck, I don't know. ------- I like the capacitative touch. I had problems using the IR touch, esp when I tried tocuching something near the corner. I don't like the pw front bevel. It's too slicky. I liked the kindle 2 front bevel the best; it had a nice textured feel to it. It felt expensive |
10-09-2012, 05:14 PM | #38 | |
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The screen is more responsive? It does not seem more responsive than my KT... and SONY is doing a perfectly good job with getting responsive screens that are IR. I don't know... Something is off with the PW screen. As people are saying, you can tell the fonts are 'under glass'. To me, it's not about font crispness or whatnot. When I loot at the KT, it feels like words on a surface - aka, like a book. The PW looks like a screen, like reading on a monitor, not a book. I don't know if this is due to the layer used for light or not. But I can tell you that it reminds me a lot of the switch SONY made. When they were using capacitive screens, as in the PRS900, you got the same impression - washed out fonts, clearly behind glass. When they switched to IR, all of a sudden everything was ok, it felt like a big improvement. And the PRS x50 series was a pretty big success. Kindle choose IR for their first touch screen and it worked. Now they took a step back with capacitive and, for some reason, the screen is off. Is it the 'touch' layer, or is it the 'light'? I honestly don't know. But this does not 'feel' like e-ink to me. The bezel being indented was a complaint for many. It never bothered me, but I see why they took it into consideration. The 'works in water argument' - bah. Really? That's why I have to deal with washed-out fonts and fingerprints all over the place? They could have put a damn button on the thing and then you could have used it in a baggie. IF that is so important.... which is to you, but how many users? Worth screwing up the screen like this? Last edited by vxf; 10-09-2012 at 05:17 PM. |
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I like the capacitive touch too, personally. I don't really notice fingerprints either. The bezel is nice, but definitely does attract fingerprints like crazy.
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The effect on the PW is much less than the Glow, though. So that's a plus! |
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10-09-2012, 06:04 PM | #41 |
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I've been using my PW for 5 days now and have not seen a single fingerpirnt on it. In contrast my Kindle Fire 1st Gen always accumuiates fingerprints.
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The capacitive touch would not be the layer that allows for noticeable fingerprints as it's not the top layer. The light guide is the top layer. Nonetheless, I do not notice fingerprints on my screen unless I have the light on and turn it to an extreme angle. The screen is quite a revelation for me coming from a K2. The smoothness of the fonts is great to my eyes, it's how paper on text looks. Comparing it to the K2 screen really shows me how jagged the text looked on the old Kindle.
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