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Time for a little "on topic" discussion:
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If you study antenna design like I did, you can shape radio waves by using a reflector element that is slightly longer than the wavelength, and direct (focus) radio waves with a director element that is slightly shorter than the wavelength. You can see that principle in action on old-fashioned TV antennas. You can also reflect and focus radio waves with a parabolic reflector. In the case of microwaves, you can even focus them with a lens that is made of paraffin instead of glass, or with a zone-plate antenna that uses the same diffraction properties as light, but at much longer wavelengths. The reason I am providing this information here is to show that your claims are stated as facts, but they are in conflict with the real facts such as those that I provided. You are free to continue to believe your "facts" if you wish (as they are part of a belief system common to pseudoscience), or you can research the real facts that I have provided by googling some of the keywords. Regarding RF propagation, I recommend reading the ARRL Antenna Design books. There is plenty of wifi antenna design on the net too. Of particular note is that these antennas "catches" radio waves, and its ingredients do not contain humans, plants, or water (contrary to a claim made above by the OP). But water could be used as an RF shield (in fact, rain can reduce microwave reception because of that fact).[/COLOR] Last edited by geekmaster; 03-13-2013 at 09:41 PM. |
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I love xkcd.
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That perfectly summarizes the first post of this thread. Welcome to the "2600 club"!
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Well there you go and now we know. Tumors can be caused by carcinogens from meat grilled on the BBQ, and from the sniffing of the glue.
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Just want to welcome you to mobileread, shidunce. We may not always agree, and ragging does occur, but don't let it shy you from joining in on all the fun & interesting stuff here. :cheers:
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Actually, free radicals in your food probably do more damage than moderate ultraviolet radiation exposure, and the occasional ionizing gamma radiation from the sun that modifies your DNA just helps to promote evolution.
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@shidunce: Welcome aboard! Please make a contribution that contains more factual evidence to balance any extraordinary or controversial claims, and especially something that adds value and usefulness to kindle ebook readers. Try to avoid making your posts look like you are advertising your professional services while you are at it. But this thread has certainly been fun for some of us. Thanks. I did study EMF effects on health in the past, which is why I responded in so much detail in this thread, based on my personal research some time ago in this field. If you have more questions, or if you can provide definitive evidence to support your claims, please feel free to respond. Last edited by geekmaster; 08-29-2012 at 01:08 AM. |
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Regarding that youtube video link, blood roulleaux (protein linkage) is claimed from the personal experience of the video narrator to be caused by computer and cellphone exposure, but according to medical literature (http://biomedx.com/microscopes/training/LB1.html), it is caused by "Excess dietary protein, poor assimilation. Eating too much animal protein. Blood too toxic (altered blood pH) from stress, coffee, cigarettes, meat, etc. Dehydration, not drinking enough water (which by the way, is one of the top undiagnosed causes of many ailments)." Unless those medically recognized causative factors are eliminated by proper scientifically-proven double-blind experiments, the narrator's methodology is not scientifically valid. Did the narrator smoke before this experiment? What did she eat? How long since she had fluid intake, and how much? Also, how were the microscope slides cleaned and sterilized? Could their handling have affected the observed results? These are important questions that must be answered before we can validate her claims or draw any useful conclusions from her limited observations. She needs to repeat the experiment under the same conditions, with and without the low-level non-ionizing radiation exposure, and again varying her diet, to make any conclusions from self-administered personal blood tests. A larger statistical sample taken at different times of day, over a longer time period of many days, could actually be useful, rather than assuming that computers and cellphones (which are NOT medically recognized as roulleaux causes) have anything at all to do with her blood condition (other than that it is a general sign of disease) at that particular time. Something that I found particularly interesting at the above biomedx.com link was this: "Also keep in mind that the wrong diet for one's blood type (A, O, B, AB) can agglutinate the blood. Certain food lectins are incompatible with certain blood types." Now that is something that I want to personally research when I get some more time. Diet and exercise are a lot more important for health than wifi exposure (especially for adults). Even most medically recognized ELF exposure health problems (such as leukemia) are of concern only to growing children. Even electric blankets are not recommended for use by growing children for that very reason. But poor diet can cause a lot more long-term problems for both children and adults. And we certainly need a LOT more exercise (especially in the USA). Video games and text messaging only exercise our thumbs. And we need a LOT less CORN byproducts in our diets. But we need MORE wireless connectivity (and faster too), not less (IMHO). And more bacon! Last edited by geekmaster; 08-29-2012 at 01:52 AM. |
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The most recent study by the World Heath Organization came to this conclusion:
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http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...ellular-phones
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There is certainly plenty of room for fear of the unknown (and FUD), but no reason to panic or to get oneself all stressed out over this long-term ongoing non-issue. Even the (missing) correlation maps from the "home city" in Israel are just coincidental non-evidence and certainly not scientific proof, however popular they may have been (before they were removed from the website). There could be a correlation of ionizing radiation sources (or other potential health hazards) at locations that also coincide with those maps. Anecdotal correlation is not evidence. It just tells you where you need to study with REAL scientific experimental studies (unlike those STATISTICAL studies shown above). Of course, real studies that affect life and death of human test subjects are unlikely to happen any time soon, so this will help to keep uninformed and irrational fear alive for a long time to come, especially when there are those who profit from those fears. Last edited by geekmaster; 08-29-2012 at 02:54 AM. |
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Well, I made a video to show it to people who probably will find it interesting. I can not do more for your community by now. About "facts", as I say ,that I provided. Blood is affected hard by many factors and electromagnetic radiation is one of them. Mine blood is the same as Magda's. I got microscope, but not camera yet to film it and make video response to this nice vid I gave you here. I eat mostly fish (of all animal's products) and red meat very rarely and I can reach really healthy blood in the morning. Radio waves are not high frequencies, but I put it in this kind as something that can be found very far from the source and its power flow can be significant. I am glad you have your solid opinion and position. I wish everybody could have such one. I am glad also that you have no problem with Wi-Fi, DECT, etc. And I hope you will never have such problem. I am not going to make discussion here. Maybe because I have no arguments to show you or maybe because I have no time to waste. You (and everybody) can choose the reason. I am sure, that in more 20-40 years (and maybe earlier) all wireless technology will be out of law. Its just a matter of time. And then all the talks will be done without me and you will be just notified: "Tadammm, from now wireless is something not legal!" By the way I have many EE engineers friends who work in RF and all of them denying the danger of wireless. I suppose just because it touches them personally ) I expect that this thread will be read by many people. This object of our talk here must be broadcasted. Thank you all for participation. |
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