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09-14-2010, 07:00 AM | #33 | |
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The point I'm trying to make is, without a context or interpretation (tafsir or tawil, both of which are still relevant to modern practice and belief), a non-Muslim reader is likely to misunderstand and therefore misjudge the tradition. Interpretations don't come from nowhere. In fact, I would say that when it seems a belief is based on a late invention or a wacky interpretation, as you say, it is all the more important to do the work of uncovering its origins through context and exegesis. Of course, all of this would only be interesting to someone who truly wanted to take a good look at Islam and form her opinions fairly. I am so fed up with all these faux-Islamists and faux-terrorism experts that have come out of the woodwork in the last nine years. If you want to learn about Islam and you want to learn it right, please read the Qur'an and some exegesis and a history of pre-Islamic Arabia, not some book you saw at Borders for $7.99 by a crackpot promising to tell you how 9-11 happened. (I'm not saying anyone here has done this, by the way. I'm just taking the time to unleash a much-needed rant.) Last edited by ellimak; 09-14-2010 at 07:04 AM. |
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Well, people throughout the Muslim world (not just the Middle East, but Africa and Southeast Asia too) recite large chunks of the Qur'an every day. Many Muslims have the entire text memorized by the time they are 10 or 11, if not earlier. I'd say that fact alone demonstrates an extraordinary influence of the text on society.
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Because interpretation is a matter of interpretation?
Look at all the sub-sub-sub sects of Christianity, and how most of them think that theirs is the one who has things right and all the others are wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._denominations |
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But how does my interest, or lack thereof, in Islam invalidate my opinion that religious beliefs are only loosely related to their founding texts, and that those founding texts are tools that tend to be selectively used to give weight to beliefs that originated elsewhere, through a very complex historical and social process? |
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09-14-2010, 08:10 AM | #39 | |
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I'm not opposed to one reading bibles and other religious texts, but with the number of interpretative texts that call themselves the bible, it is impossible to know which "truth" really underpins society today or society of 350 years ago. The christian version, like versions from other religions, has undergone numerous rewritings and interpretations. Consider that the King James version was written by committee and subject to compromise, so how does it underpin the mores of society today? As for the foundations of the societies, perhaps it might work if we narrow society down to the small village or tribe, but I think it loses a relevance when we talk nations. |
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Anyway, I think you and I might just be destined to disagree on this issue. For what it's worth, I've really enjoyed this entire conversation. Even if people aren't interested in getting to know more about Islam or any other tradition, I think it's great that we're all talking about it in one way or another. Last edited by ellimak; 09-14-2010 at 08:20 AM. |
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That is still deeply ingrained in the world view of most Western people - even most atheists don't question the routine distinction between 'humans' and 'animals' inherited from Christianity (although, post-Darwin, it's akin to saying 'daffodils' aren't 'flowers'). |
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09-14-2010, 08:30 AM | #42 | |
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Assuming you mean deleting it as a manner of demonstrating a viewpoint, no. Deleting it because I don't have the space/ don't want to read it anymore? Yes, as I don't value ebooks as highly as paper books in terms of, well, let's call it sentimental value.
Neither would I burn the paper books (I actually own both a very nice Qu'ran and a rather nice bible, but have read neither), neither as a demonstration nor because I want to be rid of them- but then again, I wouldn't burn any book I want to get rid of, I would give them away. (Hell, someone remember the last time a bunch of german people burnt books? That ended quite badly.) |
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I have no idea what a liseuse is(there seems to be mistake in the spelling) but my opinion is as follows:
Why in the first place would I want a digital copy of the Koran if I am to delete it lightheartedly? I don't have Koran e-book so I cannot delete it neither keep it. |
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