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Since What Measure Is A Non-Classic seems to be the zombie discussion which Will Not Die and people complain about having to read dead authors, maybe the alternate selection category for October should be "Undead Authors".
![]() It should be an interesting challenge to come up with enough qualifying nominations for authors whose works continued under their names after their deaths, via the excuse of someone "fleshing out" their "leftover notes and outlines" for that book which they like totally intended to write all along if that pesky mortality hadn't felled them, or just plain farmed out to a junior co-author whose glorified fanfic skillz just aren't up to it. ![]() And given what some of the ghostwriters come up with as All-New! All-Different!* in long-established beloved worlds†, there's bound to be some overlap with the regular "Horror" theme of the month. ![]() * Hope you survive the experience! † Y HELO THAR, DARKOVER! And Pern. And Dune. |
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This whole *discussion* is why I've completely given up on any of the book clubs. All I see is whining and complaining. It's long gone past the point of being enjoyable.
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There is so much being discussed in this thread!
![]() First, I want to say, regarding the hidden/open polls and the classics poll: In the classics poll, the option for keeping both classics received a majority. Even if you added the other options together, they still wouldn't have equalled the same amount of votes as the winning option. There was never a need for a run-off vote because it had already proven to be the clear winner. In the first hidden/open poll, the "always hidden" option had only received a plurality. It did not have a majority. If all the other options were added together, they would've equalled more than the votes for the leading option. So when Tom stopped the poll, a run-off was in order to determine what the majority wanted. Besides that (even though that is enough), there is the idea that a compromise was possible on this issue at all times. It never had to be "winner take all" in that discussion. It's too late now since I was suggesting alternating as the simplest compromise, but another good compromise would've been to have a poll only between "hidden" and "open", with the percentage that each option received determining how many months that option got for 2012. I didn't suggest that because I thought alternating was simpler and I thought enough people would want to compromise for it to win and everyone be happy with it. I guess I was wrong. ![]() Last edited by sun surfer; 11-29-2011 at 10:21 PM. |
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Yes, the other showed more wanted two classics. But if you use the same convoluted logic that got us to the second hidden vote, then we should have has a run off vote for classic or not without a third option. So do we go with the first vote for both or do we have a second vote for classics? |
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I'll reiterate: "always hidden" has never had a majority in either poll. It only had a plurality. Whereas "keeping two classics" won with a majority. Definition of majority: Quote:
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Look, do you know what a majority is? Hidden had more overall votes then any other option. Hidden had 17 and the others has less. You don't just counts the other options and add them together. Even so it was wrong. If you take alternating, you have to split it and 1/2 going to 1 and the other 1/2 going to the other. So really, no matter which way it can properly be done, the MAJORITY belongs to hidden.
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That would be a plurality, Jon.
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Just to nitpick, the other club is the "literary" book club, not the "classic" book club. For example, Unbroken won in the other club, and IMO, most people wouldn't consider Unbroken a classic.
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"I think this is getting needlessly messianic." ~Fook
Having more than two options clouded the issue of actually determining what the majority may have wanted. We can't actually interpret much from the hidden or visible vote. We don't really know what the last two options mean in terms of hidden or visible in general. I trust WT Sharpe, our messiah, to make a decision for us. I might disagree with their choice, but an Internet forum isn't a democracy and I don't expect it to be. For transparency, I voted other and I made a joke about a convoluted visibility scheme because I don't actually care what the voting is for hidden/visible. I'd like multiple choice options because it might more accurately show which books are most likely to be read by members. In the end whatever will get more members involved in nominations and in reading and discussing chosen books is good for the book club. |
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There is still one final point that needs deciding for 2012: If a book becomes fully nominated, then it will be ineligible for six months.
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Having this will also I think keep nominations in their rightful categories, as people will more often wait to nominate a book in its rightful category, but without it, people can nominate that same book in any category over and over. |
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I personally do not see a need for a 6 month rule. A book is only fully nominated after getting a 2nd and a 3rd. If people are not interested in reading it, or find it to be out of genre, then it will not get nominated. If it gets nominated, then there is a interest, and denying the nomination says that we do not care that there is an interest.
Storm Front, like Lolita, was a "political game", for lack of a better phrase. People nominated and/or voted for it to make a statement. As I stated earlier, I'm pretty sure Storm Front would be ignored if it was suggested for the Romance category. |
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