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11-18-2012, 05:18 PM | #406 | |
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Currently people can remove the DRM from a file and upload it. In your scheme people would be able to remove the watermarking from a file and upload it. And an unbreakable watermarking scheme is just as impossible as an unbreakable DRM scheme.[0] [0: For mass-market purposes, and assuming that the content cannot be changed. For works only originally distributed to a small number of people you can in fact have effectively unbreakable watermarking.] |
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11-18-2012, 09:27 PM | #407 | |
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DRM is a separate issue, as Amazon's system works fine without it and Amazon has never cared about it. I suppose someone may come up with a more flexible DRM scheme that is acceptable to the publishers, but I'm not sure why that would cut Amazon out. (I'm also not certain that DRM is much of a real selling point for 90% of users.) |
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11-19-2012, 06:43 AM | #408 | |||
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However, beside legal sharing with family and friends, the main objective of my scheme is to stop having people's libraries hostage of closed, "walled garden" schemes that will let them stranded if the vendor and/or the publisher go out of business. In my view this is, in the long run, the key issue. Quote:
In fact, if ever some publishers will consider switching to such a scheme, they will know that if fines are too high and/or limitations to sharing are too restrictive people will simply strip the metadata and be free... exactly what happens today with DRM! So publishers will have to define fines and limitations that make people happy enough to leave the metadata in place. (Or, of course, they can refuse to consider such a scheme. And not benefit from its piracy-prevention properties.) Last edited by BoldlyDubious; 11-19-2012 at 06:46 AM. |
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11-19-2012, 06:53 AM | #409 | |
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In my scheme, people will have the very personal reason of not wanting to let down the person who gave them the file (as I explained, for instance, in post #366; please note that it's not necessary that the potential uploader cares about the original file buyer). This is a key difference. It means that my social DRM system features what I called a "distributed damping system" based on social links between people. Last edited by BoldlyDubious; 11-19-2012 at 06:55 AM. |
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11-19-2012, 07:29 AM | #410 | |
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11-19-2012, 09:53 AM | #411 | |
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And if someone has no moral issues with uploading a file for thousands of people to download, why would they have an issue with removing watermarking from a file in order to do that? Once removed, they can't get the original buyer in trouble. |
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11-19-2012, 10:01 AM | #412 | |
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My idea is this. Suppose person P buys file F from vendor V. Subsequently, V discovers that such file (which includes embedded information that allow V to identify P) has been made illegally available through online publication or other means. V then issues a request for fine to the police, including the personal data of P. If the request from V gets processed by the police (that's the police's choice), an officer tries to get the file by following the instruction supplied by V. If the officer succeeds (without having to interact with anyone she/he personally knows), an email is sent to P notifying the issue, and asking for the email(s) of the actual uploader(s). The police then sends an email to all of these addresses, asking if the addressees want to take responsibility for the illegal distribution. If one or more of the addressees accept to take such responsibility, they share the amount of the fine between them and P does not pay anything. If none of the addressees accept to take responsibility, person P has to pay its part of the fine, and the uploader (if identified) will pay the remaining part. |
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11-19-2012, 10:25 AM | #413 | |
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LOL the strain on the police might just be a little too much. |
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11-19-2012, 10:32 AM | #414 | |
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11-19-2012, 11:40 AM | #416 | |
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I'm afraid it's not workable from a legal perspective. |
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11-19-2012, 11:58 AM | #417 |
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Of course, some people will do just that. However, the aim of my proposed system is not to eradicate piracy. Its aim is to significantly extend the freedom for media users of (legally) doing things with their files, while reducing (or at the very least certainly not increasing) piracy.
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11-19-2012, 12:02 PM | #418 | |
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(...the "strain on the police" put by clicking on hyperlinks?? I expect that 99% of the instructions provided by publishers would be "go here and click "Download torrent file".) |
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11-19-2012, 12:08 PM | #419 |
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Those of us that don't upload their media are not part of the problem. The problem of illegal distribution is created by people who have no problems with that. I'm trying to find a way to ensure that they (together with publishers) stop making life miserable for honest media users (or force them to do prohibited and/or illegal practices like DRM-stripping).
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11-19-2012, 12:11 PM | #420 |
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It isn't per book. But: do you think that so many uploaders would easily pay that kind of money just to let some strangers save on their media?
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