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What's funny to me is how there is no real protection should someone take reasonable and proper measures for protection and still have issues. He doesn't think of out lying cases. That's the same mentality that got people brought up on child porn charges a few years ago. Their computers were infected by a virus that made them part of a german botnet. People used that botnet to store child porn, and all evidence pointed to the infected computers and not to the perverts. It was only when several people had the same situation that any investigation was done into the computers that found that they were infected with the same virus. It was an unknown virus before hand, so AV software didn't detect it.
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All in all, it still seems to me that my social DRM scheme is better (or, at the very least, certainly not worse) of the current license-based scheme in terms of reducing piracy; while it is vastly better in terms of consumer rights. Quote:
Another aspect that in my view publishers are overlooking is that the type of restrictive/punitive licensing systems that they forced upon their own customers had the side effect of creating a whole generation of people who think that publishers are their enemies and that it's good to fight (read: economically damage) them. A new system based on respecting customers would do much to offset this situation. Moreover, happy customers buy more than disgruntled ones! Quote:
What I am pretty sure of is that current DRM systems based on licensing are not working in eradicating or substantially reducing piracy, though they work very well in ruining the experience of "buying" media for many people. Not considering the fact that switching from physical media to licensed digital media is creating (for the first time in history!) a situation where each new generation will NOT inherit the books and media of the previous one. This can't have positive effects. In my view current DRM is not only bad. It's dangerous. |
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No, I get it. I just disagree with you.
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11-17-2012, 04:30 PM | #381 | |
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It's simple. In my proposal, if (notwithstanding all your precautions) someone steals your media files and uploads some of them, you risk getting a fine. ONE time. Then you can't be fined again. Not only for the file(s) that already appeared online, but also if any other media of yours that you bought up to the date of such appearance get uploaded later. I'd say that this is not unnecessarily harsh. And maybe the money of the fine are well spent, if they let you find out that your PC has a backdoor that someone uses to access it. Next time they could steal your bank data, or your medical history, or... Last edited by BoldlyDubious; 11-18-2012 at 02:47 AM. Reason: forgot word "hundred"! |
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So how big is this theoretical fine?
Because if it is small enough, it would be a simple matter to pass the hate to "liberate" one copy of a book and put it on the torrents and there's nothing the publisher could do about it according to this system (one-time fine and it's over)? (Of course, a solicitation for funds would technically be an illegal conspiracy along the lines of the anti-organized crime laws, but let's play along for arguments' sake.) If the fine is large enough to prevent that, then the punishment would be so severe as to discourage anyone from ever buying a file, not ulike people being sued by the MAFIAA/RIAA to the point of losing their homes and declaring bankruptcy. I really dislike a proposal that requires everyone in the world to lock up their files like they were firearms with draconian penalties for being...well, not careless, but perhaps well-meaning but inept. Look at how many Windows computers are compromised around the world because people simply don't get the idea of having decent up-to-date anti-virus and firewall. And yet people are expected to ensure that no one else ever accesses their computers to ensure their ebooks and media aren't stolen? This really isn't practical. Plus, imagine the fun some people would have with "Hey, I want to get revenge on this guy, let's set him up by seeding his media files on the web." Plus people hacking into computers and stealing their files just for fun, because it can be done. I mean, that's been going on since day one in computing. With file conversion, it would be trivially easy to take out the social watermarking -- convert from any format to plain text, problem solved. With non-DRM files (as are suggested here), there's nothing that can prevent that. Honestly, I would really like a simple solution -- becuase I just want to buy and download my books instead of having DRMd files that I will lose when the vendor goes bankrupt, as is happening with Fictionwise, as happened with Microsoft and WalMart's music files, as happened with Microsoft Reader. Anyone who buys DRMd files is clearly not paying attention to history...sooner or later, you WILL get screwed. I have a simple DRM solution -- sell DRM free files at a reasonable price, let people download their files and quit treating paying customers like criminals. It works for the HumbleBundle, it can work for you. Last edited by BillSmithBooks; 11-17-2012 at 05:03 PM. |
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And, in the case you mentioned, you would tell the police the names of all those that had possible physical access to your PC. I am also surprised that you leave strangers, like repairmen, unsupervised and all you worry about is that they copy files from your devices, which apparently are not even password-protected? Last edited by HansTWN; 11-17-2012 at 07:44 PM. |
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It's absurd. Completely absurd. And the point is that even if I protect my files, not everyone does. And those people who don't should NOT be held responsible for their failure to do so if those files are used nefariously by other people. It's just WRONG to blame the victim. How can you not see that? |
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And it is also not right to leave the real victims (the copyright holders) with no chance of protecting themselves. Last edited by HansTWN; 11-18-2012 at 12:42 AM. |
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Hello BillSmithBooks. Very good points... I'll try and address them.
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It's interesting that you use the word "liberate", because it seems to confirm what I think: that today's setup is perceived as so unfair that some people illegally distribute media to "fight" it. Well, with a fair copy-protection scheme (of which mine is only a tentative example) these people would stop. Quote:
Moreover, you seem to think that for everyone of us there's an army of enemies who only waits a mistake of us to intrude into our computers and... stole our media? That's a bit far out, in my view. Yes, this definition is almost correct if you consider people who constantly try and get through our firewalls, but I don't think they are looking for books or music. And for what concerns people with physical access to our unlocked PCs, usually they are family or close friends. So the risk of getting fined because a media file gets uploaded by someone who "stole" it from us are pretty low, in my view. Quote:
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My proposal tries to retain most of the advantages of a "no DRM whatsoever" scenario while offering protection to publishers. Maybe this can convince some of them? Last edited by BoldlyDubious; 11-18-2012 at 02:55 AM. |
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