Samsung v. Apple - Page 21

Sil_liS · 10-07-2012, 03:52 PM

I decade from now someone will say that they were right in the prediction that Apple will fail/will succeed/will remained pretty much the same (take your pick) based on the two companies' scores over a period of almost 2 months. I wish to hear such predictions in the future.

afv011 · 10-07-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by murraypaul

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At the start of the time period Samsung and Apple were pretty much neck and neck.
At the end of the time period, Samsung and Apple were pretty much neck and neck.
Both companies have higher satisfaction numbers at the end of the period than at the start.
If you drew a best-fit plot through the Apple numbers, the trend would be upwards, not downwards.
I'm not sure how you draw anything from it except that there was serious short-term damage to Samsung, but that the effect wore off very quickly, and now they are back to roughly where they started relative to Apple.

Edit: The article you quote does not attribute Apple's recent decline to anything patent-related, but to

The fact that sales of the S3 spiked the week of the trial's result and the week the iphone 5 was announced pretty much seal the deal. People are starting to see through the RDF.

frahse · 10-08-2012, 04:19 PM

Apple with the genius and marketing of Steve Jobs got out of the gates first with two game changing products the iPhone and the iPad. Their lead was bound to be cut as time passed, and we have seen that.

What has also happened is that the money that Apple made with it's startling success, has just piled up. Jobs didn't like to give "dividends" or otherwise fritter away the profits. Instead he used that money to increase the margins on Apple products by working on manufacturing contracts and agreements, by fighting tooth and nail to keep others from "borrowing" or even appearing to borrow Apple technology.

Apple never found a another new product like the phone and pad that would be a breakthrough. The Apple TV is only a small niche player.
The rest of the Apple line has been bolstered.

The real question is whether Apple has been too slow to diversify it's phone and pad lines by offering different sizes and price ranges.
I think that it is correct about not offering "cheap" products for that would disillusion Apple buyers but I doubt the strict adherence to "size" constraints has been all that wise.

Still I have to admit I don't have a 100 Billion or so in my bank account, so what the heck do I know?

afv011 · 10-09-2012, 01:40 PM

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So far, it looks like the iPhone 5 has been more of a curse than a blessing for Apple, at least as far as Wall Street is concerned.

Apple’s market value has declined by more than $70 billion from the high it hit two and a half weeks ago when the iPhone 5 was released in stores. The company’s stock dropped to as low as $623.55 a share in early trading Tuesday, pushing the company’s market cap down to $585 billion

Apple Market Value Down $70 Billion Since iPhone 5 Release

frahse · 10-09-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by afv011

Apple Market Value Down $70 Billion Since iPhone 5 Release

I say that calls for "Panic in the Streets."

People need to rush to the Apple Stores and demand to be allowed to buy more products to show Wall Street that "the Magic still Exists."

"Show that Steve Jobs is still alive!"

"Just Believe!"

Damn, I have heard that somewhere before...

RainingLemur · 10-10-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by frahse

I say that calls for "Panic in the Streets."

kennyc · 10-18-2012, 09:19 AM

Apple loses appeal in U.K. must run Apology ads:

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-loses-u-k...ds-7000005978/

tubemonkey · 10-18-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Apple loses appeal in U.K. must run Apology ads:

Here's some sorry music for Apple

K. Molen · 10-18-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Apple loses appeal in U.K. must run Apology ads:

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-loses-u-k...ds-7000005978/

I can see it now:

"Yes, we admit, our iPad is so amazing that Samsung wasn't able to copy it."

afv011 · 10-18-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Apple loses appeal in U.K. must run Apology ads:

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-loses-u-k...ds-7000005978/

That must sting!

Pretty humiliating...

tubemonkey · 10-18-2012, 01:17 PM

And yet another blow for Apple:

Apple ordered by U.S. court to reveal iPhone profit margins

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Apple won its recent U.S. patent case against Samsung, but the company may have to pay a price by revealing key profit details about the iPhone.

Judge Lucy Koh has ordered Apple to go public with information about its sales, earnings, and profit margins on the iPhone. As a corporation, Apple does report unit sales on its various products each quarter. But it shies away from divulging how much of a profit it makes on each iPhone.

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Apple still has a shot to avoid going public with its data. The matter is scheduled to go to the U.S. Court of Appeals, which will render its own decision.

JoHunt · 10-18-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Apple loses appeal in U.K. must run Apology ads:

Cdesja5 · 10-19-2012, 02:29 PM

The decision is valid throughout Europe...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1977866.html

RainingLemur · 10-19-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by joehunt

***Apology Image***

Oh, that last line kills me.

frahse · 10-19-2012, 11:51 PM

I can see new Samsung Ads.

A boardroom full of nervous Apple execs, engineers, marketing and sales VPs.

The CEO at the head of the long table slamming his fist down, and saying, "Why didn't Samsung copy us? Why? Are we no longer good enough to copy? I want this fixed pronto!"

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10-07-2012, 03:52 PM	#301
Sil_liS Wizard Posts: 4,896 Karma: 33602910 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: PocketBook 903 & 360+	I decade from now someone will say that they were right in the prediction that Apple will fail/will succeed/will remained pretty much the same (take your pick) based on the two companies' scores over a period of almost 2 months. I wish to hear such predictions in the future.

10-08-2012, 04:19 PM	#303
frahse occasional author Posts: 2,315 Karma: 2064403292 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains. Device: A Franklin BI (before Internet) was the first. I still have it.	Apple with the genius and marketing of Steve Jobs got out of the gates first with two game changing products the iPhone and the iPad. Their lead was bound to be cut as time passed, and we have seen that. What has also happened is that the money that Apple made with it's startling success, has just piled up. Jobs didn't like to give "dividends" or otherwise fritter away the profits. Instead he used that money to increase the margins on Apple products by working on manufacturing contracts and agreements, by fighting tooth and nail to keep others from "borrowing" or even appearing to borrow Apple technology. Apple never found a another new product like the phone and pad that would be a breakthrough. The Apple TV is only a small niche player. The rest of the Apple line has been bolstered. The real question is whether Apple has been too slow to diversify it's phone and pad lines by offering different sizes and price ranges. I think that it is correct about not offering "cheap" products for that would disillusion Apple buyers but I doubt the strict adherence to "size" constraints has been all that wise. Still I have to admit I don't have a 100 Billion or so in my bank account, so what the heck do I know?

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kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	Apple loses appeal in U.K. must run Apology ads: http://www.zdnet.com/apple-loses-u-k...ds-7000005978/

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Cdesja5 Wizard Posts: 1,117 Karma: 2094306 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Device: Lots and lots of electronic gadgets...	The decision is valid throughout Europe... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1977866.html

10-19-2012, 11:51 PM	#315
frahse occasional author Posts: 2,315 Karma: 2064403292 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains. Device: A Franklin BI (before Internet) was the first. I still have it.	I can see new Samsung Ads. A boardroom full of nervous Apple execs, engineers, marketing and sales VPs. The CEO at the head of the long table slamming his fist down, and saying, "Why didn't Samsung copy us? Why? Are we no longer good enough to copy? I want this fixed pronto!"

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