Add lang= to Jacket? - Page 2

enuddleyarbl · 02-10-2023, 05:34 PM

Maybe the thread SHOULD go in Conversions. I manually work around the disparate <html...> lines in the Editor by either a search and replace or by simply copying/pasting (if I remember -- and, unfortunately, that remembering is an issue). So, that's why I started this thread here. But, I guess I'd prefer something to happen during either conversion or polishing to set those lines everywhere (either with Conversion/Polish settings or by setting up a template as I mentioned in my second post.

OTOH, if a template is set under the editor's Preferences > Editor Settings, I'd think that if the Editor re-creates a deleted file (like toc.ncx or toc.xhtml), the settings in that template should be used. But, I could be wrong.

Karellen · 02-10-2023, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The HTML ToC is not recreated after it's deleted. What are you doing that causes it to be recreated?

Yes it is. Test it.

"When editing the table of contents it recreates the toc.ncx."

Karellen · 02-10-2023, 06:16 PM

Is it a requirement to set the language on each and every xhtml page?
If yes, why doesn't EpubCheck flag this as a warning when it is missing?

I though the language was picked up from the opf file.

kovidgoyal · 02-10-2023, 07:25 PM

You dont need the lang in every html file. The spell checker will use the lang from the OPF file when an html file does not have a lang.

Karellen · 02-10-2023, 07:54 PM

Thanks @kovidgoyal
That's what I thought also.

enuddleyarbl · 02-10-2023, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

I spiel cheque in the LO Writer, extra Save As docx and import to Calibre.

Can't you exclude system files in Calibre spell checker?

Yes. "Exclude Files" at the bottom of the spellchecker page. I've tested it by telling it to exclude nav.xhtml, toc.xhtml and toc.ncx and that works well.

enuddleyarbl · 02-10-2023, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

You dont need the lang in every html file. The spell checker will use the lang from the OPF file when an html file does not have a lang.

Thanks, Kovid. I was wondering where the default was set.

In the content.opf file, I found the dc:language entry and changed it to:

Code:

<dc:language>en-US</dc:language>

After restarting the editor, the spellchecker now specifies English (US) everywhere that the language wasn't specified (as you said). Unfortunately, the language IS set to plain EN in toc.xhtml and nav.xhtml. So, I still have to either manually change those or exlude them from the spellchecker.

kovidgoyal · 02-14-2023, 12:03 AM

I dont follow. If you want to always use the US variant for en you do so by configuring spell check in the editor preferences, to use the US variant as the default for the EN language.

enuddleyarbl · 02-14-2023, 10:32 AM

The problem is that I've begun setting the specific variety of English. For American English books, I use en-US. For British English books, I use en-br en-GB. When I was leaving things with the generic EN tag, there was no problem. But, once the html/xhtml files have either en-us or en-br en-GB set, the spellchecker will occasionally choke when it runs into a duplicate misspelled word in a file where the tag is set by default to the generic en, but the rest of the files are set to the specific regional flavor of en.

The work-arounds are to 1) manually change the lang= tags when the problem pops up in the spellchecker or 2) exlcude those particular file (usually nav.xhtml, toc.xhtml and toc.ncx - but I've occasionally had the issue with content.opf when I've misspelled words in my included metadata).

Currently, amongst the last things I do before spellchecking is do a Search/Replace across all text files something like:

Code:

Search: <html.+?>
Replace: <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:epub="http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">

But, that "only" gets the text files and sometimes the issue pops up with the .ncx and .opf files. In that case, I'll add the exclusion in the spellchecker.

That works well.

It would be nice, though, if all files that get re-created in the Editor (i.e., the toc and nav files) would follow the language set (if any) in the template at Preferences > Editor Settings > Templates for New Files. Also, (but, I don't know if it's really reasonable) it might be nice if the language could be set throughout all files in a book at conversion time.

theducks · 02-14-2023, 11:23 AM

isn't it en-GB for the British Isle?

Quoth · 02-14-2023, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

isn't it en-GB for the British Isle?

For anywhere using British English, or close to it. Obviously Ireland and New Zealand use very close to British English, South Africa, Australia, India, Canada less so.

GB = Great Britain. Brittany in France used to be Little Britain. GB is technically only Scotland, Wales, England and Cornwall. The Scottish Islands, Isle of Wight, Northern Ireland and Rathlin Island (Northern Ireland) are all both in the British Isles and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (full title).

Isle of Man (English & Manx language) and Channel Islands (English, French and a sort of Norman French language) are British territories, but not in UK or GB, though in the British Isles.

Ireland, the nation state, and its islands are in the British Isles. Oddly The Irish Republic is a customary title, it's Ireland in English and only Éire in Gaelic.

The area was called the British Isles before England even existed, but some now call them the Anglo-Hibernian Isles, or in the Anglo-Irish Agreement, "These Islands".

The UK was created only in 1800 as The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, though the Pope gave Ireland to English/Norman King Henry II in the 12th Century (The Normans conquered England in 1066). In 1922, when the UK part of Ireland was reduced to 6 of the 9 Ulster Counties, Westminster seriously considered becoming just Great Britian but renamed to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

enuddleyarbl · 02-14-2023, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

isn't it en-GB for the British Isle?

Eeeek. I think I grabbed en-BR from an Agatha Christie book. But, I can't guarantee that's a true statement. If I look at:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/lan...ubtag-registry

and search for "subtag: br" the best match is Brazil. Oops.

If I search for "subtag: gb" I find:

Type: region
Subtag: GB
Description: United Kingdom
Added: 2005-10-16
Comments: as of 2006-03-29 GB no longer includes the Channel Islands and
Isle of Man; see GG, JE, IM

I've got to fix my stuff. Thanks for the heads up.

Quoth · 02-14-2023, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enuddleyarbl

Description: United Kingdom
Added: 2005-10-16
Comments: as of 2006-03-29 GB no longer includes the Channel Islands and
Isle of Man; see GG, JE, IM

From a Governmental/Political point of view GB never included the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. They've never been part of the GB created as a political entity in 1707 nor part of the UK (created only 1801). The definition of UK changed in 1922.

The really stupid thing is websites and programs using National Flag Icons to designate language. German, French, English, Spanish and Portuguese are official languages outside of Germany, France, UK or USA, Spain and Portugal.

English (Ireland) is a real setting, but so badly supported it's better to select English (British) and edit the Regional Settings (€ rather than £, technically both are metric, but Ireland more so with Km rather than Miles on signs and litres of fuel rather than gallons). Occasionally USA is the only working choice, despite different gallons to UK, Fahrenheit, unique date systems, Letter rather than A4, USA cups and pounds rather than UK Stones, Pounds, Ounce and Webster's reformed anti-French spelling).

enuddleyarbl · 02-14-2023, 02:51 PM

I guess I can't blame Agatha for en-BR. It looks like it was just a senior moment on my part that I automated. <sigh>. I used the Quality Check plugin to search for lang="en-gb" and lang="en-br" in my library. My older ones all use en-gb. Only in the last couple of weeks does en-br show up. Oh, well. It keeps me occupied.

BetterRed · 02-14-2023, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

For anywhere using British English, or close to it. Obviously Ireland and New Zealand use very close to British English, South Africa, Australia, India, Canada less so.

That might have been true 50 years ago, but the gradual incorporation of te reo Māori into NZ English means it has now drifted further from British English than Australian English. As well borrowing Maori words, the cadence of the spoken language has also changed.

PM David Lange made Māori an official New Zealand language, he was a contemporary of Thatcher so that would have been in the 1980s. The current government has set an objective for te reo Māori to be taught in all primary schools by 2025.

BR

02-14-2023, 10:32 AM	#24
enuddleyarbl Guru Posts: 734 Karma: 1077122 Join Date: Sep 2013 Device: Kobo Forma	The problem is that I've begun setting the specific variety of English. For American English books, I use en-US. For British English books, I use en-br en-GB. When I was leaving things with the generic EN tag, there was no problem. But, once the html/xhtml files have either en-us or en-br en-GB set, the spellchecker will occasionally choke when it runs into a duplicate misspelled word in a file where the tag is set by default to the generic en, but the rest of the files are set to the specific regional flavor of en. The work-arounds are to 1) manually change the lang= tags when the problem pops up in the spellchecker or 2) exlcude those particular file (usually nav.xhtml, toc.xhtml and toc.ncx - but I've occasionally had the issue with content.opf when I've misspelled words in my included metadata). Currently, amongst the last things I do before spellchecking is do a Search/Replace across all text files something like: Code: Search: <html.+?> Replace: <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:epub="http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> But, that "only" gets the text files and sometimes the issue pops up with the .ncx and .opf files. In that case, I'll add the exclusion in the spellchecker. That works well. It would be nice, though, if all files that get re-created in the Editor (i.e., the toc and nav files) would follow the language set (if any) in the template at Preferences > Editor Settings > Templates for New Files. Also, (but, I don't know if it's really reasonable) it might be nice if the language could be set throughout all files in a book at conversion time. Last edited by enuddleyarbl; 02-14-2023 at 04:25 PM.

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02-10-2023, 05:34 PM	#16
enuddleyarbl Guru Posts: 734 Karma: 1077122 Join Date: Sep 2013 Device: Kobo Forma	Maybe the thread SHOULD go in Conversions. I manually work around the disparate <html...> lines in the Editor by either a search and replace or by simply copying/pasting (if I remember -- and, unfortunately, that remembering is an issue). So, that's why I started this thread here. But, I guess I'd prefer something to happen during either conversion or polishing to set those lines everywhere (either with Conversion/Polish settings or by setting up a template as I mentioned in my second post. OTOH, if a template is set under the editor's Preferences > Editor Settings, I'd think that if the Editor re-creates a deleted file (like toc.ncx or toc.xhtml), the settings in that template should be used. But, I could be wrong.

02-10-2023, 06:16 PM	#18
Karellen Wizard Posts: 1,226 Karma: 5390614 Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Libra 2	Is it a requirement to set the language on each and every xhtml page? If yes, why doesn't EpubCheck flag this as a warning when it is missing? I though the language was picked up from the opf file.

02-10-2023, 07:25 PM	#19
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 44,175 Karma: 22670164 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	You dont need the lang in every html file. The spell checker will use the lang from the OPF file when an html file does not have a lang.

02-10-2023, 07:54 PM	#20
Karellen Wizard Posts: 1,226 Karma: 5390614 Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Libra 2	Thanks @kovidgoyal That's what I thought also.

02-14-2023, 12:03 AM	#23
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 44,175 Karma: 22670164 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	I dont follow. If you want to always use the US variant for en you do so by configuring spell check in the editor preferences, to use the US variant as the default for the EN language.

02-14-2023, 11:23 AM	#25
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 30,162 Karma: 57532198 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	isn't it en-GB for the British Isle?

02-14-2023, 02:51 PM	#29
enuddleyarbl Guru Posts: 734 Karma: 1077122 Join Date: Sep 2013 Device: Kobo Forma	I guess I can't blame Agatha for en-BR. It looks like it was just a senior moment on my part that I automated. <sigh>. I used the Quality Check plugin to search for lang="en-gb" and lang="en-br" in my library. My older ones all use en-gb. Only in the last couple of weeks does en-br show up. Oh, well. It keeps me occupied.

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