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Google Removes 'Don't Be Evil' Clause From Its Code of Conduct Really I wouldn't care much, except I do remember them making that hay. It's too bad Windows Phone failed. Though is there any doubt that if the big two were the big three, Microsoft would behave better? |
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They are also now duplicating behavior that they themselves ridiculed in the past. In the end, Google is a juggernaut and this too shall pass. But it is pretty easy to make jibes at them for being hypocritical. |
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But that's beside the point when talking about their 30% in-app greed and how it gives them a huge advantage when competing against Barnes & Noble (for one). |
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Sorry. I'm not seeing the antitrust issue. Which of the App stores (Google, Apple, Amazon) is the one with the stranglehold on business activity? "All three" is not one of the choices.
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I for one am not updating my Nook app until I have to, because most of my Nook Books are purchased with gift cards and it's convenient to just use the app. Once I do update, then I'll just have to use their web site. It's still stupid, Google! ☹️
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It's a duopoly. If you want to sell any kind of software, provide any kind of service or device that requires an app for smartphone users in the US and basically every country except China you have to get your app in the App Store and the Play Store and that means playing by their sometimes ridiculous rules and forking over 30% of your revenue with no real alternative. Even if you ignore Apple in many countries like the US that's automatically throwing away 50% or more of your potential customer base. They have far too much control over far too important devices these days. In the case of BN, Kobo, Amazon, etc. both Google and Apple sell ebooks and let you buy straight through their apps on their platforms because they don't have to pay a 30% cut of the sale price. This obviously isn't fair and forces all 3rd party ebook apps to have the clunky workaround of having you buy on a web page. Last edited by salamanderjuice; 04-09-2022 at 02:51 PM. |
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I'm not arguing that it doesn't suck. I'm asking for specific examples of how it's violating American anti-trust laws. No one is being forced to used apps, no one is being forced to choose Apple over Google (or vice-versa). Apps CAN be installed on Android from outside the Google Play Store (in fact the Amazon Appstore can be installed on vanilla Android via the Google Play store) regardless if some might find it "scary' to do so. So I repeat: what antitrust laws are Google and or Apple currently at risk of violating?
They're not working together (at least not so far), so the notion of a "duopoly" is irrelevant RE antitrust. And "clunky" isn't relevant either. There ARE choices. The fact that we don't like any of those choices (for both users and vendors) is neither here nor there. Last edited by DiapDealer; 04-09-2022 at 04:14 PM. |
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I’ve always preferred purchasing with a browser to the in-app experience. There’s more information, you can have multiple tabs to review more than one book, etc.
I wish there a way to turn off Store and recommendations in app altogether. There are enough distractions without these. |
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Why should Apple or Google not get a slice of the sales when they're the ones providing those services, along with the install bases they both offer. They provide a service to the app devs, and ask to be paid for it. Imagine asking to be paid for a service you provide. As stated, the devs have the options. So to do consumers though it's based on what the devs do. |
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Apple doesn't even allow most to get away with the "reader" exemption as it was basically made to keep Amazon, Spotify and Netflix on the platform and many services are forced to either have free services, IAPs through Apple or subs through Apple and now Google is doing the same. As for what anti-trust laws, this is likely an essential facilities thing but IANAL. It's pretty clearly anticompetitive rent seeking anyways and I don't think platform holders should be allowed to cripple competitors on price and functionality because of their made up rules. Last edited by salamanderjuice; 04-09-2022 at 09:15 PM. |
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