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[Namekuseijin]

No, I mean Andre Norton books are available in PG.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Namekuseijin

No, I mean Andre Norton books are available in PG.

Sure - in the US only. They are magazine publications for which the copyright wasn't renewed, back in the days when US copyright had to be renewed. They aren't in the public domain except in the US, so neither you nor I could legally download them from PG.

[Namekuseijin]

who's gonna stop me or you? Who cares anyway? Not even her family seemingly, if she had one.

copyright laws are definitely bonkers...

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by Namekuseijin

who's gonna stop me or you? Who cares anyway? Not even her family seemingly, if she had one.

copyright laws are definitely bonkers...

If abused too much, PG may feel, or even be forced, to put georestrictions in place.

[Namekuseijin]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

If abused too much, PG may feel, or even be forced, to put georestrictions in place.

Copyright covers the rights of authors long dead that got no living relatives nor any publishers care about anymore. So, who cares anyway, besides readers? Whose rights are copyright laws protecting in such case? It makes no sense.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Namekuseijin

who's gonna stop me or you? Who cares anyway? Not even her family seemingly, if she had one.

You'd be breaking the law just as surely as if you'd downloaded it from a pirate book site. Whether or not you "care" about that is nobody's business but your own.

[Apache]

Originally Posted by HarryT

I buy them from Baen, personally.

+1
Apache

[gweeks]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Sure - in the US only. They are magazine publications for which the copyright wasn't renewed, back in the days when US copyright had to be renewed. They aren't in the public domain except in the US, so neither you nor I could legally download them from PG.

Nope. The Andre Nortons aren't from magazines. Well, a couple of the short stories are.

They are out of copyright anywhere with rule of the shorter term. That does not include Canada, but it does include most other Berne signatories.

Greg Weeks

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by gweeks

Nope. The Andre Nortons aren't from magazines. Well, a couple of the short stories are.

They are out of copyright anywhere with rule of the shorter term. That does not include Canada, but it does include most other Berne signatories.

Greg Weeks

What do you mean by the expression "with rule of the shorter term", Greg? Please do correct me if I'm wrong, but the "expiring" copyright that was in force in the United Stated prior to the late 1960s ONLY applies to the US, does it not? I'm pretty certain that none of this stuff is in the public domain in the UK, for example.

[gweeks]

Originally Posted by HarryT

What do you mean by the expression "with rule of the shorter term", Greg? Please do correct me if I'm wrong, but the "expiring" copyright that was in force in the United Stated prior to the late 1960s ONLY applies to the US, does it not? I'm pretty certain that none of this stuff is in the public domain in the UK, for example.

For any Berne signatory that implements the Berne "Rule of the shorter term" when a copyright expires in the home country it is expired in the other country as well. So if the US copyright is expired on a book then it is expired in any country that implements the "Rule of shorter term." Canada is the only country I've looked at. Canada implements the rule of shorter term for all countries except the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_the_shorter_term

Greg Weeks

I should add, that US copyright expired means a US author, not just any copyright.

[BeccaPrice]

if you like (free) golden-age SF, may I recommend Little Fuzzy by H. Beam Piper? I know Gutenberg has a copy.

[Billi]

Originally Posted by gweeks

For any Berne signatory that implements the Berne "Rule of the shorter term" when a copyright expires in the home country it is expired in the other country as well. So if the US copyright is expired on a book then it is expired in any country that implements the "Rule of shorter term." Canada is the only country I've looked at. Canada implements the rule of shorter term for all countries except the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_the_shorter_term

Greg Weeks

I should add, that US copyright expired means a US author, not just any copyright.

But doesn't your link state the opposite?

Situation in the European Union

In the European Union, copyrights have been harmonized amongst the member states by the EU directive 93/98/EEC on harmonising the term of copyright protection. This binding directive, which became effective on July 1, 1995, has raised the duration of copyrights throughout the union to 70 years p.m.a. It also includes in its article 7 a mandatory rule of the shorter term for works from non-EU countries. Within the EU, no comparison of terms is applied, and—as in the Berne Convention or in the UCC—existing international obligations (such as bilateral treaties) may override this rule of the shorter term. Directive 93/98/EEC was repealed and replaced by Directive 2006/116/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 December 2006 on the term of protection of copyright and certain related rights.[17]

Germany extends the non-applicability of the rule of the shorter term to all members of the European Economic Area in §120 of its Urheberrechtsgesetz.[18] It also does not apply the comparison of terms to U.S. works. In a case decided on October 7, 2003 by the Oberlandesgericht of Hesse in Frankfurt am Main, the court ruled that a U.S. work that had fallen in the public domain in the U.S. was still copyrighted in Germany. The court considered the rule of the shorter term inapplicable because of the bilateral copyright treaty between Germany and the United States, which had become effective on January 15, 1892 and which was still in effect. That treaty did not contain a rule of the shorter term, but just stated that works of either country were copyrighted in the other country by the other country's laws.[16]

The EU member states implemented Directive 93/98/EEC[19] and Directive 2006/116/EC[20] in their national law.

[JeremyR]

Originally Posted by Namekuseijin

copyright law as it is won't outlive public outcry for long...

PG is wonderful.

What does the public have anything to do with it? Lobbyists write the IP laws these days. Literally in some cases.

(I think we should have stuck with the original system myself, 14 years + renewed for another 14 years. Or even the old system. Berne is terrible for anyone but corporations)

[Apache]

Originally Posted by BeccaPrice

if you like (free) golden-age SF, may I recommend Little Fuzzy by H. Beam Piper? I know Gutenberg has a copy.

Also try his Uller Uprising. It is based on the Sepoy Mutiny, but uses aliens instead of Indians.
Apache

[gweeks]

Originally Posted by Billi

But doesn't your link state the opposite?

No. Read it carefully. Inside the EU all terms are the same length for material originating in the EU. Germany has a older treaty with the US that says it does not go by the Berne rule of the shorter term, but all other EU nations are supposed to support it for material not origination from an EU country.

Greg Weeks