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Old 11-21-2011, 05:48 PM   #16
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By using the advanced search at Overdrive, I cannot search for any Mobipocket eBooks. So from what I gather, overdrive dropped all Mobipocket.

And it seems that Penguin Kindle eBooks are not available at libraries.
http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2011/...-ebook-titles/
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:57 PM   #17
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Yes, I read that. I was just double checking.
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This right after their release of a vanity self-publisher? What the hell are those executives thinking?
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Penguin is using the agency model to force people to pay very high prices for their e-books (the new John Sandford novel is $19.99). Too many people are probably using the libary instead of buying those expensive e-books.
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Penguin has been a long-time supporter of libraries with both physical and digital editions of our books. We have always placed a high value on the role that libraries can play in connecting our authors with our readers. However, due to new concerns about the security of our digital editions, we find it necessary to delay the availability of our new titles in the digital format while we resolve these concerns with our business partners. Penguin’s aim is to always connect writers and readers, and with that goal in mind, we remain committed to working closely with our business partners and the library community to forge a distribution model that is secure and viable. In the meantime, we want to assure you that physical editions of our new titles will continue to be available in libraries everywhere.
Okay, so if that's the case, why is it only being noticed with Mobi? Are they only concerned with Mobi security?
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Okay, so if that's the case, why is it only being noticed with Mobi? Are they only concerned with Mobi security?
Maybe it's proof that Amazon is winning the ebook sales award.

If Amazon/Mobi is the largest US ebook reader in sales...imagine the horror of Pub Execs when the people who normally would 1-click purchase a new release converted to use of the library system. I'm sure that if we looked a new ebook sales data compared to the date Kindle became available for libraries we would see signs of teeth-gnashing.
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Penguin is using the agency model to force people to pay very high prices for their e-books (the new John Sandford novel is $19.99). Too many people are probably using the libary instead of buying those expensive e-books.
Well, unless Overdrive and Penguin get back to an agreement, the John Sandford novel due out in 2012 won't be available via Overdrive.

As in the article, I do think that Penguin owes money to a lot of libraries that bought extra copies due to Kindle borrowing. It's unfair that they bought these copies now to no longer have them when they could have bought other eBooks instead.
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Well, unless Overdrive and Penguin get back to an agreement, the John Sandford novel due out in 2012 won't be available via Overdrive.

As in the article, I do think that Penguin owes money to a lot of libraries that bought extra copies due to Kindle borrowing. It's unfair that they bought these copies now to no longer have them when they could have bought other eBooks instead.
The licenses are not format-specific, but multi-format. So while those extra lincenses can not be used to lend the books in Kindle format, they can be used to lend the book in ePub format. The only disadvantage for the libary without Kindle lending is that they have more copies of the book than are needed (which of course is an advantage for people who want to lend the book in ePub format).
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The licenses are not format-specific, but multi-format. So while those extra lincenses can not be used to lend the books in Kindle format, they can be used to lend the book in ePub format. The only disadvantage for the libary without Kindle lending is that they have more copies of the book than are needed (which of course is an advantage for people who want to lend the book in ePub format).
Yes, I know this. But these extra licenses were bought because of the longer waiting times due to the addition of Kindle lending. Now that Kindle lending is gone, these extra licenses are just an extra cost to the libraries. Penguin still owes money to the libraries that bought extra licenses because of Kindle lending.

Lets say you own a Kindle and a Sony. You bought two eBooks. One in ePub and one in AZW. You have the Kindle, someone else in the house has the Sony. You go to read the Kindle version only to find you now have two ePub copies. I would think you'd want your money back for one of those copies. I know I would.
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Well, that explains why my hold on the new Cornwell book went missing
I just checked the publisher on the new Scarpetta book that's coming out on Dec 6th, and it's a division of Penguin. The Philly library was taking pre-release holds on the ePub version early last week, and now it's gone.
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This does make my not spending $35.00 for a Philly library card, bittersweet. I would probably be all sorts of upset right now.
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Penguin is using the agency model to force people to pay very high prices for their e-books (the new John Sandford novel is $19.99). Too many people are probably using the libary instead of buying those expensive e-books.
It's $14.99 on Amazon. (Not to say that your underlying point may not be correct, of course).
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Yes, I know this. But these extra licenses were bought because of the longer waiting times due to the addition of Kindle lending. Now that Kindle lending is gone, these extra licenses are just an extra cost to the libraries. Penguin still owes money to the libraries that bought extra licenses because of Kindle lending.
Exactly; and totally agree
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Amazon and Penguin have a beef going on and the rest of us (non-Kindle users) get caught in the crossfire.

So why is it when anything goes wrong with eBooks, Amazon is right there in the middle of it?
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The best way to fight the publishers is a boycott. But few want to do it. People have their favorite authors and won't let anything get in the way of reading them. They'll grumble about higher ebook pricing or lack of availability in libraries; and then turn around and buy it anyway.

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