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Old 04-06-2011, 02:38 PM   #16
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All of those questions illustrate the need for copyright reform, to establish all of those answers to everyone's satisfaction.
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I doubt that that is even possible.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:43 PM   #17
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I doubt that that is even possible.
Well, when I say "everyone," I'm obviously not including the nut-cases and radicals who would not be "satisfied" even if the law literally handed them everything on the planet on a silver platter. I'm mainly referring to rational people.

Law is about compromise. Welcome to society.
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It's making a copy on someone else's computer. Copyright law doesn't address who has access to the copies; it just says you're not allowed to make copies without permission.

You did say, "You have no right to use someone else's work without their permission." By that logic, if they don't give you permission to copy it to Amazon's servers, then you don't have that right.
But when you have permission to put something on "x" number of devices...
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When an industry frontpiece starts demanding 75 trillion dollars in damages, then you know there is urgent need to stop such claims even making it to court.
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When an industry frontpiece starts demanding 75 trillion dollars in damages, then you know there is urgent need to stop such claims even making it to court.

The music industry is so far behind the curve, it is almost laughable.......The publishing industry is not far behind.......
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But when you have permission to put something on "x" number of devices...
Problem with that is, on cloud based services you don't know how many devices you're putting it on. Say you're allowed on upto 5 devices, and you have it on your computer, your ereader and in the cloud. Do you count that as 3, or some other absurd number because of the number of servers that may have the info in that service?
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But when you have permission to put something on "x" number of devices...
If you have that. Some data agreements you do, some you may not. Varies from Vendor to vendor, data type to data type....
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Survey says?

>BRAAATT!<

Oh, I'm sorry, the moral is that copyright needs to be reformed! But thanks for playing, here's a copy of the home game, bye-bye!
I guess I'm not following, at least from what was in the O.P.

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Well, when I say "everyone," I'm obviously not including the nut-cases and radicals who would not be "satisfied" even if the law literally handed them everything on the planet on a silver platter. I'm mainly referring to rational people.

Law is about compromise. Welcome to society.
Oh, you mean the giggly guy...
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Oh, you mean the giggly guy...
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When an industry frontpiece starts demanding 75 trillion dollars in damages, then you know there is urgent need to stop such claims even making it to court.
Where would you settle them, then? Wrist-smack in the kitchen? These cases do need to be taken to court, so a fair and equitable decision and appropriate penalty can be set.

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I guess I'm not following, at least from what was in the O.P.
The point of the article isn't really that the kid got caught file-sharing... it's that the decision was so extreme as to "threaten innovation," in the eyes of the EFF and lawyers, so they want the courts to set precedents for appropriate decisions and penalties.

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Oh, you mean the giggly guy...
Yeah. Him.
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Where would you settle them, then? Wrist-smack in the kitchen? These cases do need to be taken to court, so a fair and equitable decision and appropriate penalty can be set.
Do you truly consider 75 trillion dollars to be fair and equitable?

Because I do not and nor did the presiding judge, who promptly told them to go back and invent a figure that was far more realistic.

This is a most lucrative method of the entertainment industry to bolster profits.

CD and DVD sales are falling, no problems, find a few bunnies or an organisation to sue...
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I agree that copyright is obsolete, since it is now possible to retain payment methods inside of content itself.

The thing about fair use is that it is a joke. We can store the entire library on a website and give it away for free, in a sense we are, this is not commercial, is it fair??????????? Yes.
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We already know that the concept of fairness is a joke to you.
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Do you truly consider 75 trillion dollars to be fair and equitable?
that's like a national debt already
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