01-15-2024, 07:29 AM | #16 |
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You're right, the gap between 13" B&W and 25" color e-readers is a bit frustrating! Currently, there aren't any widely available 13-15" color e-ink devices.
Here's what I know: Onyx Boox: They offer 13.3" B&W devices like the Max Lumi, but no color options in that size yet. Dasung: Their color offerings jump from 10.6" to 25.3" with the Paperlike. E Ink: They're actively developing new color e-paper technologies, but haven't announced any specific 13-15" panels yet. So, what are your options? Wait If a 13-15" color e-reader is crucial, holding off for future releases might be your best bet. Both Onyx and Dasung are known for innovation, so it's not out of the question. A 13.3" B&W Onyx Boox like the Max Lumi might offer a great reading experience, or the 10.6" Dasung Paperlike could be a portable color option. |
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The desktop screen panels are now pointless compare to paper-like LCD beyond IPS technology. Desktop monitor eink is a dead end. That newer technology will make excellent tablet panels surpassing running life and quality of OLED. It will be interesting to see how TCL NxtPaper develops and what panels LG, Samsung and Panasonic put in tablets. The best non-glare 4K HDR desktop monitors are now stunning and the Samsung and LG I have are dramatically better than anything I saw recently in Apple's big showroom here. They make my laptops & tablets look like junk. Where eInk excels is reading text on 4″ to 10″ mono screens. The power spikes with page turn and if no front light, Wifi or BT it's almost zero while you read. It's less power saving for comics / graphic novels as the page turning is more often on an 8″ to 10″ approximate size screen. I think the only future for colour eink is the ACeP poster panels for retail and the very expensive 10.3″ Kaleido color eink may be the last of them for ereaders. Approximate Amazon Germany prices, ex Shipping. TCL NxtPaper 11 (10.9″) 2000 x 1200 colour pixels, matte paper-like LCD, 16M+ shades/hues: €250 (Monochrome text resolution is variably higher in same way as for colour eink as it's a filtered mono LCD panel). Kaleido 3 eink with about 4000 shades/hues by filtering a mono eink panel. BigMe InkNote 10.3″ 1240 x 930 colour pixels: €690 BOOX Tablet Note Air 3 C 10.3″ 1240 x 930 colour pixels: €550 BOOX Tablet Note Air 3 Ultra C pro 10.3″ 1240 x 930 colour pixels: €700 PocketBook InkPad Color 3 7.8″ 936 x 702 colour pixels: €340 The 7.8″ is marginal for colour comics/graphic novels. All the colour ink need the front light on indoors and take much more front light power than mono eink. None are as clear / sharp as mono eink to read a regular novel. An 8″ Sage is 1920 x 1440 A 7″ Libra 2 is 1680 x 1264 Last edited by Quoth; 01-26-2024 at 03:38 PM. |
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Can't figure out what the TCL T-Pen stylus is. I'll test it with MPP/Ntrig/Kobo (I've several makes) and if that fails, a 3rd party Apple Pencil. It seems a big upgrade on the sub-par NxtPaper 10, which nevertheless had good reviews for ereading. Existing here: Kobo Elipsa 1404 x 1872 @227dpi Kobo Sage 1440 x 1920 @300 dpi Lenovo Yoga 10 800 x 1280 @149 dpi Android 10, very glossy and slightly purple screen. 256 G SD Card. Nxtpaper 11 1200 x 2000 approximately 220 dpi Android 13. Takes SD Card. Because it's full colour and at least 254 greys vs 14 greys of the Elipsa, the apparent sharpness of text is higher, even if there wasn't any kind of subpixel addressing. As it's colour the underlying LCD resolution is either x3:1 higher or x2:2 depending on the filter design. The biggest cause of eye-strain and headaches with any display is the eyes unconsciously focusing on a reflection, not the light colour (the blue of cheap LCD backlights does no harm and conflicting evidence if it keeps you awake). It's not as good an aspect ratio for one-up pages as the Elipsa, but decent upgrade of my old tablet which I use for Viber, occasional browsing and colour PDFs. Last edited by Quoth; 01-26-2024 at 03:39 PM. |
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https://www.tcl.com/ie/en/tablets/tcl-nxtpaper-11 That site shows what looks like a docked keyboard, but doesn't mention pogo. I can't find now where I read that. Obviously any decent BT keyboard will work, but a USB connection via a dock is more reliable and secure. Perhaps I read it on a review of the nxtpaper 12 pro? It's definitely the 11! https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B0C3MG289R Though I don't mind if they send something better as long as they don't want it back! The T-Pen seems good value, so I ordered it rather than waiting and checking compatibility with others. Unlike Samsung, Apple, Microsoft and Kobo, were the 3rd party ones are cheaper to very much cheaper, the official TCL T-Pen seems cheaper than 3rd party models. I have multiple USB and BT portable keyboards. One each is decent. |
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Men, what did you do...
This thread wasn't to speak about NXTpaper 🙄 Now this is a mess... Quote:
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Here is the Fujitsu ( https://goodereader.com/blog/product...-ink-kaleido-3 ), but it has only 80 colored ppi. Certainly not good. Let's see the Linfiny... But without an android it doesn't fitts me. For what is waiting Onyx? I imagine soon they will release a 13" color display Quote:
I have great hopes for Gallery. It is still slow, but is getting faster and faster. If the 4000 colors of Kaleido 3 are almost very good (at least in the Onyx devices), how it will be with the 50.000-60.000 of the gallery? For me it would be enough for sure. |
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4000 colours is a misnomer. That's the total of all shades, hues and saturations. Also pastel to improve brightness.
Simulated cheap wood pulp comics. No use for decent illustrated books. Colour eink is tiny niche. Even basic LCD is 16 Million and HDR is more. The colour enk is so poor and needs so much LED light that decent LCD already out classes it. The amount of front light needed, especially for larger panels, dramatically reduces the advantage of mono eink over LCD. The future for larger colour mass market devices to read on isn't eink, unless there is a dramatic new technology. It's better tablet LCD panels like NxtPaper, as already exists on 23″ to 32″ 4K HDR desktop screens. Any approx 13″ Kaleido or Gallery based ereader will be lower resolution than a decent tablet and there will be LCD tablets with no eyestrain. My 23″ desktop 4K LG HDR LCD has no eyestrain, excessive blue, flicker or glare. If a panel also uses quantum dots for red and green (so called QLED, which are really LCD) then it will also be be able to be bright enough for outdoor use. I'll be amazed if there is ever a successful and usable Gallery 3 based ereader, though one company is trying. Gallery 3 is similar colour rendition and range to High Color 16 bit graphics 30 years ago. Certainly better colour than Triton or Kaleido, but still about x10 to slow for a page refresh. Last edited by Quoth; 01-18-2024 at 02:47 PM. |
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2) The TCL NxtPaper models are specifically aimed at ebook reader/users. There are desktop screens now that make eink for desktop pointless. 3) Query / Title is 'Isn't there any 13" colour device?' People have been answering it. There are 13″ devices and new better ones coming and eink is not the best colour solution. We once had Mirasol. Gallery 3 is a bistable C M Y electronic paper by the Eink company, but it's different and very slow technology compared to conventional eink, which is slow. You can report posts that you think contravene the rules. |
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I have hope! This reminds me of when color eInk first appears and everyone said more than 100dpi was not possible, and then appeared 150dpi. I long to see Gallery 3 with a good refresh rate. Let's see if this 2024 they improve it! I will take a closer look at those NXTPaper devices. Don't know much of them |
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