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Generally true, but at least a few of them have recognized the truth.
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Amazon and Macmillan are both acting in their own best interests. However, most authors believe that Macmillan's agency model will at the very least not harm them any more over the long term than Amazon's model, and that Amazon's past and current behavior shows they are more than willing to throw them under the bus without hesitation. |
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Truth is that yes Amazon and MacMillan will both attempt to protect themselves, but the truth is also that the plan from MacMillan is more likely to harm authors (in particular their income) than anything Amazon has done. |
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In other words, the authors are not siding with either as both companies are screwing the authors.
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This is going to hurt authors even more then the Amazon model, as it drives people to pirate books. When people feel they are being ripped off, right or wrong, its easy to steal something and say "they asked for it". Personally I feel that e-readers are already over-priced, then to go and raise the prices of ebooks? No thanks. The most I will pay for an e-book is around $10 and only if that book is not available cheaper in print. Yes, yes, I know the publishers don't make anything on e-reader sales but it doesn't change the fact that if I spend $300 on a device I expect to save significant money on my books. I wonder what pricing would be like it Macmillan was selling it's own e-reader?
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Not really true. I've seen many authors in support the the MacMillan move and a few against it. I'm less sure about various organizations, but I do know the SFWA - Science Fiction Writers of America is supporting MacMillan.
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The way I saw it amazon hurt them short term, due to collateral damage, but MacMillian is hurting them long term. |
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The authors' income is tied to Macmillan's; there is no such connection between the author's income and Amazon's. It's in Macmillan's interest to make authors more money over the long term. It doesn't matter to Amazon one way or another whether authors make money. All that matters to Amazon is that they make money, whether by selling books or Kindles. |
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Of course none of this has happened yet, so we won't really know til some time in the future. Personally I'd trust Amazon before I'd trust MacMillan just based on their demonizing of ebooks. Last edited by kennyc; 02-08-2010 at 04:21 PM. |
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Sorry, I didn't realize you were a member. Can you point me to the official notification to that effect? I must have missed it. I'm simply going by what the officers told us.
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Amazon and authors have directly opposed interests. Authors and Macmillan have aligned interests. Both want to make as much money as possible from selling books to booksellers. It is very much more in Amazon's economic interest to screw authors than it is Macmillan's. Also, Amazon has a history of using their market clout as a big hammer to force competitors and suppliers to back down and toe the Amazon line: See the lawsuit against the Amazon Bookstore, the Hachette incident, and the requirement that all POD books go through their own printing facility. Amazon plays rough and always has. |
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Publishers simplay wanted control of pricing so they could manipulate it to suit print sales. It's not a good situation. |
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